Originally Posted by
straightrazorheaven
I have begun to understand this. What Americans don't really follow though, is that you still don't have the right to kill someone.
There is something uncivilized about that concept. Every single conversation I have had with an American either in person, or on here, regarding the right to defend yourself using guns ... has ended with the American basically saying they have to do that because the country is in ruins.
Doesn't that just make you think you need to get rid of those sorry excuse of leaders? I would never arm myself against another human.
Against animals, say if I lived in BFE, or the plains in Alaska, yes I would arm myself because I am not going down to a bear.
A human is another matter, I would rather die than kill, and it saddens me that others don't feel the same.
As in the other thread, where I stated I believe proficiency in self defense is better than using a firearm, I stand by that firmly.
Take away firearms and firearms related crime will drop to almost nil. Until that is understood and adopted nothing will change.
Would you guys who have guns give them up to never have this happen again? I would give anything to prevent these atrocities.
To those who talk about bombs etc, a bomb large enough to kill 20 people would probably be spotted in the making
Somebody would have to buy a lot of "odd" things that would raise an alarm, also they have to make it, which could see the end of them too.
To Glen, Just because your rights are deeply ingrained, that doesn't mean changing them isn't a good thing. It means you will fight to keep them.
Good luck with that because eventually, if this sort of thing keeps happening, they will be changed. Eventually someone with some sense will preside over the USA and define what the right to bear arms actually means in a modern era. The bill of rights is something that really needs looking at by the politicians, and the people of America. Things change, Britain is no longer going to take the USA ... The bill of rights needs amending.
If you have the right to bear arms and create a militia, only the militia should be allowed to bear arms, they should be regulated and everybody should know who those people are.
To the people who say something along the lines of "well the killer broke the rules already, more rules won't help".
Criminalize guns. There is a long list of people who own them, where they live, the Gov't could find the firearms owners, and give them a period of grace to disarm themselves before they became fugitives. If what you say is true you would all follow the laws and give your firearms up anyway, no problem. Then the budget for the police could be shifted towards changing the philosophy of the broken part of society. There would be excess budget after firearms was criminalized since there would be lower crime rates after the initial spike.
To everybody who says this is a pipe dream or words to that effect just take a look at the UK. This was achieved. Atrocities like this happen rarely. The last being (if I am correct) the 80's.
If I made spelling errors etc, I apologise, I am tired.
