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    Quote Originally Posted by sharptonn View Post
    I dunno. Ivory cannot be pressed, I think. You can feel it with your fingernail. It is very precise, to me.
    So its like a scrimshaw, scratch into the ivory then darkened with ink?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin103 View Post
    So its like a scrimshaw, scratch into the ivory then darkened with ink?
    Wow makes you really appreciate those artisans back in the day.
    Thanks Martin.
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    Scrimshaw, by hand, is pretty primitive under magnification. This is very precise! like machine engraving?


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    It does look very precise, perhaps a metal stamp, burned into the ivory.
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    The accepted technique was actually to lay a resist on the ivory, then use and acid or some similar 'biting' fluid to eat away the exposed parts. The resist was then removed, and a layer of black enamel - or even various colours - were rubbed into the etched lines to enhance them.

    Resists were made on paper using a form of glue that hardened on exposure to uv light - regular open sunlight. The glue was mixed with a reagent to bring about this hardening, which is not the same as simple drying. The ultra-thin papers were sold or made in house, wetted, and placed in position on the ivory (or the blade). Once the glue had hardened water was used to remove the paper - it was so thin it rubbed off easily, but water no longer rendered the hardened glue (or 'gum') tacky. Then the area was either immersed in acid, or a small dam was made of beeswax around the area, and acid brushed on. Once 'bitten' deeply enough the resist was removed with spirit.

    There were variations to the basic technique including pre-cut rubber stamps that were dipped into the resist and then pressed onto the scale or blade, leaving the resist behind to harden.

    There were also other resists in the form of varnishes or waxes that were worked with the point of a pin to reveal the substrate to be etched. This was more akin to scrimshaw, even though it too varied quite a bit, and was obviously inferior to other techniques when a good number of copies had to be made. All said and done, though, the totally handworked examples were far more crisp and sharp in appearance to the papers and rubber stamps!

    The following is from an 1825 pamphlet issued by the Royal Society of Arts:

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    The silver nitrate certainly does work and has a two-fold reaction. Firstly it is caustic - if strong enough it can eat into and blister the skin (hence its old name - 'lunar caustic'), it can be used to kill the nerve in bad teeth, and on exposure to sunlight it goes a brown/black colour that is more or less indelible. I used to use it in photography when making collodion wetplates - the plate was sensitised by immersing it in lunar caustic then popping it into the camera back, still dripping wet. Of course, it got all over your hands and fingers. The moment you went into natural light your skin in the affected parts went back, and stayed that way until the skin layers grew out - some considerable time.

    In the 1860s when wetplate photography was at an all-time height (people were photographing red indians, travelling cowboy shows and civil war soldiers like there was no tomorrow - no doubt, for many of the soldiers there was indeed no tomorrow and their likeness in a piece of glass plate or tin plate was all that remained for their families) these marks earned fledgling photography the title of 'The Black Art' - it was not long since the invention of the Daguerreotype and the two forms co-existed for some time until the ensuing madness from breathing in the vapours of heated mercury used to develop the silver image put people off the former.

    But I digress....

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    All that bloody work for so little reward (financially speaking) What was the going rate for a razor of this caliber? A few shillings I suspect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarkus View Post
    All that bloody work for so little reward (financially speaking) What was the going rate for a razor of this caliber? A few shillings I suspect?
    Not too bad, Darl! With five guineas, One could feed the family for a few weeks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarkus View Post
    All that bloody work for so little reward (financially speaking) What was the going rate for a razor of this caliber? A few shillings I suspect?
    I dont know! But using that method you need to be an artist a chemist and one real patient individual, and hope you didnt get paid by the dozen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Miller View Post
    The accepted technique was actually to lay a resist on the ivory, then use and acid or some similar 'biting' fluid to eat away the exposed parts. The resist was then removed, and a layer of black enamel - or even various colours - were rubbed into the etched lines to enhance them.



    But I digress....

    Regards,
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    PS: nearly forgot to congratulate Tom on the aquisition of another splendid oldie and a stunning resto job - getting used to that with Tom, though!
    WOW, Neil! Great description of a seemingly tedious process! Thank You, Sir!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarkus View Post
    All that bloody work for so little reward (financially speaking) What was the going rate for a razor of this caliber? A few shillings I suspect?
    From the 1902 Pacific Hardware & Steel Catalog:

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    The pics not much, but the razor was available with 'white flat handle, as well as 'ivory flat handle', blades 'full crocus polished'.

    The ivory version was $36 per dozen, so $3 a piece to the trade. No doubt the public paid double that, so say $6. From a 1902 us dollar/pound sterling exchange rate guide, $6 usd is equal to £3.55, equal to £3 11 shillings or 31 shillings in sterling.

    A labourer/cleaner in 1902 would perhaps be paid from $1.00 usd to $1.50 usd a day, so would have to work at least four days and probably longer to afford this particular razor - seems a fair lot of money to me!

    However, if $6 usd represented a 100% mark-up to the re-seller, who bought it from another re-seller (Pacific Hardware) who bought it from the maker (Wostenholm) then the true value of the razor begins to emerge. Say Pacific Harware & Steel (merged with Baker & Hamilton in 1918 to form Baker, Hamilton & Pacific, housed in a 1905 building that is now a landmark in San Francisco) put 100% on for example, then they paid $1.50 in order to offer it for for $3 usd. Wostenholm would perhaps put 100% on, so the razor cost them 75 cents. Out of a portion of that the workers were paid, which is beginning to stink of sweat-shop practices like those still seen in poor eastern countries, particularly when major makers insisted on having a margin of error to fall back on, so a dozen razors produced by the workers had to have another three thrown in free of charge in case of damage, returns etc, although this was more the practice of an earlier time.

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