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try Cuban cigar not tutti furtieQuote:
Originally Posted by MikeB52
I started at 24mg!!! Then down to 18mg...now the Five Pawns and the Halo Tribeca and Turkish I think are at 18 or 12...for me, can't go much lower. If I end up huffing on one of these from now on so be it, "harm reduction" works for me right now, and the difference is huge as far as I'm concerned, I actually occasionally have dreams about "smoking" a real cigarette it's that powerful, so if the day comes when I give up the vaping, great, if not, so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeB52
The Five Pawns is expensive, I don't vape it all day long, I switch between mix some cheap juice with the Halo Tribeca on one unit, and have the Five Pawns on the other - let me know what you end up getting.
e-cig =adult pacifier
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Originally Posted by Phrank
Really? Never would have thought that all on my own, what a new, stunning insight....:aargh:Quote:
Originally Posted by whoever
I am one who has a very addictive personality. It got to the point I was smoking two packs a day. I started vaping, but still didn't do the trick cause it wasn't like a cigarette. So I vaped and smoked for about two years. During that period, I must have spent 2K on vape mods just trying to find that happy medium to what gave the same effect as a cigarette. I bought a Provari from Provape. Got an Aspire Nautilus atomizer. Dang! That was it. Never had a cigarette since. For those who are like me and are looking for that perfect switchover, I recommend the Aspire Nautilus atomizer. Provari is bad ass as well, and prob the best variable voltage mod you can buy, but it doesn't come cheap. But many mods will work with the Aspire.
QUICK, ALERT THE TORONTO , VANCOUVER SUN, and all those papers and tabloids in the lower 48, and the upper 2 while we're at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phrank
I gotta laugh, the young-ins put a string on their e-cig and ware on their neck like a status symbol, I don't ever hanging a cigarette around my neck to smoke, I do remember putting it behind my ear though
I would be embarrassed, seeing that smoking and something to puff on is a sickness we started by our own will. I don't like folks to see me vape. It's an adult pacifier as far as I'm concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by whoever
Mine's the nautilus as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaptorAddict
Nero would be happy for the name! And it does work very well and is wicked customizable between it and the base unit.
Some how itvwhent from cool in the '50's yo an imbarrssment now, I guess the 20 soethings don't know what they are buying. They should dyop the anti smoking campaign only because they pay it no attention and fail to heid it's warnings.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaptorAddict
In the few years I have been engaging in E-cig use i have seen the technology improve dramatically. It has come to a point now finally when I no longer experiment with new hardware as it has come to a level of efficacy that I no longer want anything else from these devices. I like rebuildable tank atomizers (RBA) because i dont like purchasing coil replacements. I make my own coils it takes only a few minutes and they last for a long time. My wicking of choice has become japanese natural untreated cotton. My two favorite RBA's are Kanger Subtank mega which is great because you can use it in both rebuildable mode or with prebuilt replacement coils for convenience. Also love the already classic "Kayfun 3.1" or "The Russian" excellent performers and solid construction.
I use these on a Hanna Mod DNA 30 or any DNA 20 or 30 chip variable voltage/wattage device. If anyone is interested in learning about this crazy world of vaping and there is ton of info out there try this site Taste Your Juice | Can I Taste Your Juice? this guy has so many detailed reviews on anything you might encounter related to ecigs. Enjoy
The CIG makers are the real players because they can advertise e-cigs on TV
And nothing upsets me more than television bashing e-cigs. They ask us to stop smoking which is like trying to stop a freight train are handed. Now this????
and while your at it , can you stop eating, so that you can spend more time working, it will save you time and get both you and your employer fatter wallets
Heres a little satire video for you vapers concerned about any political threats to your enjoyment. Enjoyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?t=552&v=ItORJmByj2U
You can buy the e-cigs here but not the juice with the nicotine in it, would be keen to try otherwise. Our government is putting the price of tobacco up by 10% every 6 months.
Well I started another thread about vaping without searching for established threads. I know, newb move. Anyways glad to see there are some members here that do use e-cigs because I really didn't want to start at a new forum for this.
Anyways I have been vaping for about 3 months now. Started with the Blu E-cigs and two days later I upgraded to a pen type deal and just recently I finally did the holy grail of upgrades for me at least. I now have a Sigelie 75w temperature control mod and a UD Imp dripper. The flavor is abosuletely amazing compared to using the pen type devices and the blu cigs I was disappointed with immediately.
Im not really into the whole "cloud chasing" deal. To me people who are into trying to make the biggest clouds are like people trying to have a super loud exhaust on a honda civic. Its just unnecessary. However, the vapor production on this thing is absolutely ridiculous. Really too much. It is satisfying as the draws feel heavier than from a pen type e-cig and thus more resemblant of a cigarette, however it has made vaping in the car impossible/unsafe. Its possible but I can't even see the steering wheel when I exhale. And when I roll the windows down, billows of smoke pour out and I feel like I might get pulled over by a cop thinking its something else.
Anyways, I switched to e-cigs about 3 months ago after smoking for 7 years. I switched because had just given birth to our first child. After she gave birth I went to go smoke a cigarette and just felt absolutely guilt ridden about lighting up. So the next chance I got I went and got some of those blu cigs from 7-11. I had tried to quit smoking several times before using traditional methods like patches and gum and even chantrix but nothing worked. Except for e-cigs of course. True its not really quitting just substituting, but still. I mean one has 4000 chemicals and the other has 4 ingredients all recognized by the FDA as at least "GRAS". And depending on what company makes your juices you can get organic e-juice. I personally don't like the way that propylene glycol makes my throat itch so I get juice with none in it. So really with just the water, nicotine, VG, and flavorings theres really no harm except for what nicotine may cause, which I am at 3mg now and next week will be going to 0. I started out at 24mg. Oh and i tried smoking a cigarette a month or two back and it was the most disgusting thing to have touched my lips. Amazing how effective this method of smoking cessation has worked compared to even chantrix.
Good story cosperryan.
What flavour/brand are you using without the glycol? I am not a fan of that itch either.
Funny how you mention the plumes of white vap cloud. Can spot a vaper from the billows coming out of the window or sunroof everytime.
Cheers.
:chapeau
Right now I'm using little miss by mercury vapor and before that some mango lychee by drip n clouds. Most of the premium e juices that come in the glass bottles and are made for making clouds are going to have either all vg or mostly vg either makes the pg unnoticeable plus the flavors are awesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by MikeB52
Making your own liquid is really straight forward too cosperryan, even more so if your going full VG, you can get nicotine in VG and it lasts for a long time as depending on the strength liquid your making you are only using small quantities and the VG on its own is pretty cheap. the only pg that i use is flavour concentrate, pretty hard to find it in VG sometimes but it is a really small amount of the mix.
True. I have definitely thought about it a few times. Right now I am still trying to figure out what flavors I really like and which ones I don't like. Last week I had some skull and crossbones by Vigilante. I told the lady at the shop I wanted to get something whacky flavored. She said it was a bourbon flavor and it is not. Its of a sweet rum and vanilla flavor. Its good, like really really good, but not whiskey or bourbon which is a very elusive flavor apparently when it comes to high quality juice.Quote:
Originally Posted by stev
Here in the UK new vendors are popping up all over and bringing there own flavours ect, some are really fantastic but i find the descriptions on websites lacking for example: a mix of 5 berries.. what berries ffs? i like rasberry but not so much cranberry, more info please!!. If you ever do decide to start making your own juice, gimme a shout if you have any questions.
Yup that's what I think. Still not good for you. Like you I'm pretty confident that further study will show that E-cigs., while not being as harmful, are still damaging to the body. We're built to breath air. And I think that's it. I stopped cigarettes years ago, as well as Copenhaven snuff. Being hopelessly addicted to them didn't stop rational thought processes. In other words, I knew that I couldn't live my life the way I wanted to and continue participating in the addiction. I still smoke a pipe (maybe 5 times a week after dinner with a cup of tea) and a weekly cigar. (On Sunday) For some reason, maybe its because the pipe and cigar aren't inhaled, I can control the use of a pipe or cigar. Not so cigarettes and Copenhaven. They are like a light switch. Its on or off. Out of control use or nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
Hello all,
I'm quite experienced in e-cigarettes and the like, so if you're interested in information, suggestions on flavors or questions on why your mod is leaking like a geyser; you know who to PM.
Been using vape equipment in one form or another for 2 years and I have seen all the hyped, as well as the buried in journals, research from both sides of the argument. It's something that even people in the science community, who are supposed to only look at facts, are fairly biased on. At the end of the day, it's what you enjoy and what risks you are willing to take. I enjoy my flavors and the people I interact with on my sunday vape errands. Is it completely harmless? Probably not, but the water I drink and bathe in has radium in it.
Chemical flavorings found in e-cigarettes linked to lung disease | Harvard Gazette
If your aware of the risks, I believe that we are all adults and can make informed decisions....
I dont see what the problems is. If its not ecigs, it will be outlawing Sunday softball games because somebody "might" twist an ankle...
Its a dangerous world we live in....
Just my 2
-K
I agree completely. Unfortunately, many ecig users have known this issue for a few years, yet it persists in flavorings. For those interested, the VaporShark company tests all of the liquids they sell for the presence of those chemicals. However, more research is not a bad thing. Continually improving a method to achieve something is probably why we're here, it's just happens to be razors...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ised8em
The chemical Diacetyl is the culprit and what the article previously posted was targeting as a dangerous substance in some ecig flavors. This is old news in the ecig industry as it was initially used as a flavoring for certain butterscotch e-liquids or to impart a buttery flavor to certain e-liquid blends. Lets put things in perspective. Diacetyl is a by product of natural fermentation. It exists in buttermilk most beers especially english style ales, IPA's and it is what gives Chardonnay its buttery taste and is present also in the coffee roasting process. Its fairly ubiquitous in our foods both naturally and as an additive. No big deal if ingested as its fairly harmless. Problems arise when its burned as it breaks down into some fairly nasty compounds when heated above a certain temperature. Thus the concern. Now even at the time when those e-liquids where found to contain some Diacetyl it was still 100 times less what is commonly present in tobacco smoke. Should one be concerned? Absolutely. I don't like it when news articles focus on a thing and trump it up to the ignorant masses as if it came from outer space to kill us and not put it into Perspective! Media loves to demonize a thing without revealing the complete nature of it. Its a tool most often used to further a political agenda.
I must admit that I didn't read the article completely because I already knew two things about it. 1) Diacetyl is harmful, especially if we're heating it up in vapor form and inhaling it 2) The majority of media sensationalizes every bit of information they get their hands on. That's why you see "dooms-day" reports on the weather channel's websites to drive up site visits, the owner/boss of the website even admitted to this fact.
The issues with "popcorn lung" are documented and called that because it is prevalent in popcorn "topping". Never heard of anyone getting cancer from popcorn, until the media blows something up tomorrow or next week. What isn't focused on in the current media climate is the actions taken by many e-liquid manufacturers working hard to find flavors that do not contain these chemicals and cutting into their profits to provide a safer product. What's worse, is flavoring companies that say that aren't found in a certain flavorings and testing later shows that it does.
Well, I have been off this forum for a few months. You know how it is, life happens and what not. Anyways. Since my first post in this thread, I have done what I did with straight razors. At first I did it as a way to save money (also for better health on the e-cigarette side). Well we all know how that goes. Now I have 7 different "mods" and build all my own coils and what not. Even in the process of building my own e-cig mod. I just like to tinker. Its an addiction. And SWMBO is definitely not happy about it as it cost just as much if not more as my straight razor addiction costs. Another monotonous task turned into a hobby.
Yes as with all things. The practical approach is when you get involved in a thing for some benefit or to augment a behavior. If you leave it at that than the initial reason to do it is maintained, for example straight razor shaving because you hate disposables and if kept at the bare essentials will in fact save you money. Same could be said for Vaping or anything else along the lines of replacing a costly behavior with something more efficient or supposedly better for you. The problem arises when this new activity becomes a source of enjoyment and intrigue. We all know that it quickly escalates into "enthusiast" territory in which resides an industry of some sort ready to fulfill your every need. That's where "practical use be damned" comes to play and your in a full blown hobby $$$.
It's can be difficult to not strive for perfection if you're already trying to improve upon a simple action. Especially with nuanced sensations such as "razor feel" or "flavor" of a liquid.
When I rolled my own cigarettes, I went through a ton of paper to get the roll just right and the amount of tobacco perfect, for me.
As far as e-cigs, I tried to maintain a certain amount of "sanity" on mods and tanks. Luckily, the kanger subtanks were love at first vape, my mutation v3 and doge v2 were enjoyable to work with and quality construction. I just spent a ton of time perfecting how I build my coils to the point that I can do them consistently and get the balance between vapor production/flavor/battery consumption just right, for me. I was tempted with the mod construction as well, but, electricity and I have had a pretty solid hate-hate relationship since I was a yung'in. Now, I'm battling the VF Classic mod to get it to function in temp control just right.
If you take a look at the original diacetyl study you'll see that the amounts of diacetyl in ecigs is FAR lower than the amount found in actual cigarettes. That said, all vendors I know about let users know the ingredients and whether or not their juice contains diacetyl. Most reputable vendors have steered clear of using it entirely.
It's irritating that most people parrot what the news stations say; "We don't know if they're safe yet...", "Not enough testing has been done", etc. The fact of the matter is that ample testing has been done on electronic cigarettes and it has been found that they are FAR more safe than traditional 'analog' cigarettes.
Lets take a look at some facts....
Propylene glycol aka "PG" - This is what gives users the "throat hit" found in analog cigarettes. It is also used as a flavor carrier as it doesn't mute flavor. It is metabolized into pyruvic acid, which is similar to lactic acid; the acid produced in our muscles when we exercise. You could literally inject 30+mL into a muscle and you'd experience no more than some discomfort and soreness. It is very safe. Hence why they use it in Asthma inhalers. I know it's anecdotal, but if it was bad for your lungs, do you really think asthma sufferers would be inhaling it? Probably not....
Propylene glycol metabolism and ingestion has been studied for decades. It is non-carcinogenic. It also happens to be antimicrobial when atomized into the air. I believe some hospitals use it in their ventilation systems to prevent the spread of infectious disease. I remember reading that some businesses considered using it as well, but it wasn't cost effective since the money saved was outweighed by sick time. A small percentage of people are allergic to PG and experience mild allergic reactions when inhaling juices containing it.
Vegetable glycerin - This is used to produce high amounts of vapor. It is a poor flavor carrier but it does provide some 'lung hit' as found in analog cigarettes. Do you eat icecream or use lotion products? If you do then the chances are high that you've ingested it. It's also used in things such as baby wipes. It is non-carcinogenic. It is metabolized into sugar. The amount of VG taken in from one hit or puff is so small if I had to estimate I'd say it's probably equal to around 20mg of sugar. The effects and heath risks of sugar are well documented. Think of how much sugar you ingest in soda or how much you put in tea. Soda contains upwards of like 40g per bottle.
Nicotine - There are LOADS of studies on nicotine and it's negative effects on the human body. It is, after all, a poison. However it is NOT a carcinogen and doctors say it is on par with caffeine in terms of negative health effects. It is a stimulant and can be highly toxic at relatively low dosages. Though the dosages in e-cigs per hit are so much lower than those toxic dosages that it becomes self-titrating. What I mean by that, is that the doses are so low it's hard to overdose, and that if someone does overdose the sickening feeling prevents them from reaching a dose which is life threatening. Sure, you could argue that if you drink it, it will kill you. That's certainly true. The same can be said about bleach. This argument is made by ANTZ(anti-nicotine/tobacco zealots) and directed towards children. If you are a parent who vapes keep the juice out of reach of children. It's common sense as nicotine is a poison. Emergency room visits due to nicotine overdose are caused by irresponsible parents. Those numbers are used and misinterperated/misrepresented by ANTZ to 'prove' that ecigs are bad.
Furthermore nicotine is a neuroprotectant and may actually help prevent neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimers.
Flavors -While there are a handful of flavors that contain chemicals such as diacetyl(there are others as well) the vast majority of vendors steer clear of using it entirely as previously mentioned. Not only that, but vendors list their ingredients so users can make informed decisions.
In the spirit of full disclosure(I'm posting to educate, not just to prove my point) I would like to mention that oil based flavors are not 'safe' to use. Vaping oils can cause oil-induced pneumonia and should be avoided. Aside from those things, the majority of flavors are safe to ingest. They're non carcinogenic and are ingested from food all the time. Vanillin, one of the flavors I use in my mixes, has been shown to reduce tumor sizes in mice. I use it in my every-day vape.
To those people who say "Our bodies are meant to inhale air" as if that fact means inhaling anything else MUST be hazardous to our health are doing nothing more than making wild illogical claims. Case in point; asthma inhalers. The same illogical logic(heh) could be said like this; "Our bodies aren't mean to eat anything but food"...While it's true we shouldn't go out eating say, lead paint or superglue, it's well known that there are many things we can eat that aren't food but are not only not bad for you, but are actually good for you such as antibiotics and the like.
Feel free to fact check any of the above claims. (I'm sure I may have mispoke once or twice as I typed this up pretty quickly.
I'd like to sum this up with a quote;
- David SweanorQuote:
As to ‘not safe’, we perhaps need elaboration. The point I try to make when faced with the ‘it’s not safe’ canard is that nothing meets the criteria of being absolutely ‘safe’. Everything has risks, so simply pointing out that something is ‘not safe’ shows a person to be either ignorant or disingenuous. The key issue in looking at safety is that it is a relative concept; we need to look at safety of any activity compared to some alternative. Rather than the unattainable standard of ‘safe’ we should be thinking in terms of ‘safer’. Despite the risks associated with soccer, I would, for instance, prefer my children play soccer rather than play with live hand grenades.
Please don't just say "there hasn't been enough research" "They aren't proven safe, etc, ad naseum, and parrot what Big pharma has had the media say to you. Don't be ignorant. Do your research and google studies, but don't just stop at that. Compare toxin levels, check sources, and be sure to check who funded the study. Go look at lung scans before and after quitting smoking/starting vaping. If that doesn't convince you, I don't know what will.
To anyone looking to get into vaping; I highly recommend getting an ego twist with some sort of tank like a ce5....aside from that all you need is a charger and some juice. It'd cost you around 40-50$ to get started. I also recommend you mix up your own juice. It's WAY cheaper than buying it. 30mL goes for anywhere between 12-24$. You can make that amount for less than a dollar.(Just be careful and use proper precaution when mixing nicotine, especially if you have a low tolerance.)If you have any questions feel free to ask.
I used to smoke at least 1-2 packs a day but I started using e-cigs a few years back. Then I went back to cigarettes but in 2013 I was in an accident on my Harley in which i had a fractured pelvis, fractured back, 3 broken ribs & my left lung collapsed. Not being able to breath was really bad & I thought I was going to die. I was in ICU for 3-4 days & I had a hard time breathing but was doing a little better but wasn't thinking I was going to die anymore yet my lungs were so full of crap from smoking that a group of nurses along with the head nurse came around & they looked at me & the head nurse asked me if I could breathe. Those first few days, my breathing was raspy & my voice was very faint so they told me they were going to put some saline up my nostrils & that it would be uncomfortable but that I would feel better afterwards. They did so & it was very uncomfortable & the saline going in my nostrils & into my lungs I guess made a lot of crap come up until I finally couldn't take it anymore but after that, I could breathe. I felt so much better instantly so if it were to ever happen again, I would say go for it! Thankfully I have never had to go through that again. I quit smoking cold turkey because of that & my best friend kept asking me how I could do it because he had been smoking for at least 40 years or more. I told him I had willpower & determination & I do. I used to not but these days I can do it. I did start again but no cigarettes. I got a Kangartech Evod that had two e-cigs in the box with one charger. It would be nice to make my own coils & the guys at the Vape store down the street from me do it plus that is where I buy my liquids. On Wednesday's it's buy one get one free so when I buy them, I go on Wednesday's. My current intake is 15% nicotine & I buy two different flavors like my brother. We both use the same thing & one of them is specifically made for us only. No one else buys it. One of them that they sell all the time is called Trainwreck & the other is Stars & Stripes. When I walk in there it is so smoky because those guys must be in competition with one another & when they hit their huge units, they put out a lot of smoke or vapor. I don't like that much vapor, way too much! I know one thing, vaping is a lot cheaper than smoking cigarettes plus after not smoking them, they stink awful!
That's one heck of an accident! Glad you're one tough cookie and made it through.
Glad you kicked the ash!
I start with the evod's as well. I moved up when mine started coming apart and leaking everywhere (I drop stuff, a lot! Never a razor tho ;)) This caused me to upgrade to the aerotanks. Good quality, plus the all stainless is nice and durable. Then I upgraded again and again and again....
Building coils can easily be as addicting as honing/refurbishing razors.I haven't had to buy a pack of coils in probably 8 months or so, cost is pennies to make each. Evod's are pretty tough to rebuild tho.
I stopped building coils after the tfv4 and crown tanks came out. i have the rebuildable ones, but i havent played with them at all yet.
Thanks dinnermint. I've been down quite a few times but the Man upstairs has some reason to keep me here on earth & I hope it is a good reason. That particular accident, I had someone in my lane coming towards me & I had to avoid having a head on collision so I steered clear of that vehicle but after that, I lost control, my Harley hit the curb catapulting me into a fire hydrant. It is an experience I'll never forget. I had to be flown via medical helicopter to the Medical Center here in Houston because they thought I had internal injuries but it turned out I didn't, thank God.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnermint
I found a website that has great deals on coils, batteries & other parts for the Kangartech's. Type in Discount Vapors on Google & you will find them. When you first enter the site it asks you if you are 18 or older unless you hit one of the subtopics on the Google page. The store down the street from me is okay but for components & such, they mark these things up to make at least 100% profit compared to Discount Vapors yet they are friendly people & I know a lot of them on a first name basis & when I go in there, they know me because I always pull up on my Harley in front of their store. It's too bad the Evod coils are more complicated to build. I'm pretty mechanically motivated thanks to my dad, God rest his soul. He taught me most of the things I know. I was a factory certified Harley-Davidson service tech for many years so I'm sure I could do it if I knew how. I used to wind pickups for electric guitars but quit because it wasn't as profitable as I thought it would be. I would love to know how to rebuild a coil & I guess a good way would be to take one apart like I always did with things that quit working ever since I was a kid plus I always wanted to know what makes things "tick". I still have a little bit of wire left from winding pickups for guitars. I also found that when you have a problem with an e-cig, you have to do a few things such as make sure any oil is not getting on any of the battery contacts & you use a Q-tip to wipe them clean. Also it is always a good idea to clear the air holes out on the piece the coils screw into & I use a piece of guitar string or similar to do this. If the holes clog with oil, it is difficult to get a good hit from it. There are a few tips & tricks one must use to keep them going efficiently. I'll go for now because I see Prodigy has posted from an email notification I got minutes ago.
I've just switched to a Kanger KBox mod to use with a Kanger Aero Giant and Kanger Aero V2. I'm finding the KBox much better than my old basic mod, although I used a Smok epipe which I loved the shape of. It fitted great in the hand.
I can't be bothered with the hassle of building coils as any spare time I have is spent restoring SRs.
And you're right about the smell of tobacco engine46. It's only when you stop using tobacco that you realise how much it makes clothes etc absolutely stink.
You're so right Wayne. I agree. I probably wouldn't have much time rebuilding a coil unless it isn't too time consuming because I spend spare time working on SR's & when I can't do that, I do research on things.Quote:
Originally Posted by wayne394
@prodigy: The crown is probably the easiest to rebuild, looks nearly identical to Kanger's subtank rba section. TFV4 is closer to a Kayfun style, never was a fan with that style. I don't blame you, those coils are pretty nice and can chuck pretty well at higher ohms. kinda hard to manually construct a single coil to handle that much heat.
@engine46: First, DO NOT VAPE WITH PICK UP WIRE. You can only rebuild with Kanthal A-1 or Nichrome resistance wire. I'm not sure what the composition of that wire is and would probably be best to avoid it. It's nice to see that you have picked up some good maintenance habits with the ecig. I can't tell you how many I have seen gunked to destruction. The problem with the evod coils is that they recently redesigned them and the press fit between the two tubes is so tight that when you take them apart, you break one or both pieces. As far as your accident, that is quite the harrowing experience. I've been to the hospital numerous times, thankfully for nothing quite that serious.
@wayne394: the Kbox is a nice mod, for that size and price point, it can't be beat.
As far as the build time for a coil, it's just like anything else. It takes some time to get used to and to develop shortcuts to speed up your building process. I can usually do a single build in 10 minutes, kind of on the slow side but I'm a perfectionist with them (better reliability that way). If I do an assembly process build, I can probably do 6-8 coils in half an hour.
dinnermint, don't worry, I wouldn't think of using pickup wire unless I knew it would work & I don't think I have enough left so I have a little I'll use should i need it for something else with such tiny wire. It is much finer than my blonde hair.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnermint
Thanks for the info though.