With the legalisation of Cannabis in Canada, as well as some States in the U.S. and other countries around the world, we should have a place to talk openly about Weed. So here we go.
Open you mind!!!!
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With the legalisation of Cannabis in Canada, as well as some States in the U.S. and other countries around the world, we should have a place to talk openly about Weed. So here we go.
Open you mind!!!!
Here's some food for thought. We are allowed to have 30 grams on us max. That's at home and walking around in public. We can smoke it in any place you can smoke a cigarette, but these days that law is pretty tight. 0 tolerance for driving high and I'm still not sure how they'll do the testing on the roadside.
Interesting that in Ontario, you can smoke a joint in a a public place in which you can smoke tobacco, but you can’t have a beer there.
I think it’s going to take a while for the kinks in the legislation to get ironed out and make it all rational. I wonder if anybody is looking at the historical track of the repeal of prohibition of alcohol to anticipate what will come next.
I'm sure they must have taken stats from when Colorado made it legal. Not sure how it all went down there, but I would think they should be able to get a pretty decent idea by watching them.
DZEC, have you ordered any?? :)
Hmmm, I stopped drinking 16 years ago and the last time I had a toke on a joint was about 20 years ago.
I like being sober much better. :)
BTW, here is our Ontario website for ordering Cannabis if anyone would like to check it out.
https://ocs.ca/#/verify-age
Things are going to get real interesting.
I have to laugh at the Police force not having a handle on this. They've had like 2 years to get a roadside test ready and I think they were hoping that it would just go away and now the poor buggers just don't know what they are going to do.
When I heard the first murmerings of legalization I said leave it to the government and they'll f@#$ it up. Realistically, I believe they should have kept their hands off of it and just let sales taxes take care of the real basis of legalization, REVENUE.
just my not so humble opinion of course :)
A disclaimer - I’m not a cannabis user nor have I ever been.
It seems that the moment you make something illegal, you increase its desirability to some segment of the population and provide a market criminals are able to exploit.
I have trouble understanding the morality in which governments can provide and profit from providing access to some addictive materials (alcohol, tobacco and gambling are the best examples) while deciding that other “vices” are somehow against God’s dictates.
If someone intends harm to him/herself or chooses to indulge to excess, there is little one can do to prevent that and banning the instrument of that harm has never proven effective. We can only hope to provide support, intervention and counselling to those individuals in the hope that they are able to find their own way back and try our best to prevent them from causing harm to others.
In those jurisdictions in which cannabis is legal, the taxes collected have made significant contributions to the improvement of school systems and public health care infrastructure while eliminating a source of income to criminals. Seems to me that is a win-win situation.
So true, DZEC. In WA, half of the sale price is state taxes, compared to 0% in the black market.
As I understand it the roadside test for the police will be a saliva swab test hence why they delayed the permission for edibles and such in Ontario. Doesn’t show up in saliva.
Really the easiest test is the sniff test. If ya smell skunk,,,,its dope.
I agree it’s odd that they will allow sidewalk usage. This past Thursday all I could smell around the plant was skunk, so I knew folk were lighting up in the corners.
I guess we are about to experience what it was like after prohibition ended..
Lotsa drinking initially, then things should settle down.
Our Liquor Control Board of Ontario (LCBO) is the largest purchaser of wines and spirits in the world. That means they get the best prices from vendors. LCBO outlets are already in every community in the province.
We consumers don’t really get to take advantage of the LCBO’s buying power because of the taxes the government attaches to the purchase price. They make our prices higher than almost everywhere else - just like with gasoline at the pump. In fact, the LCBO is one of the few creatures of the Ontario government that actually makes money and it would have made sense for the LCBO to have become the government vendor of cannabis products.
So, the LCBO is all over the province, already knows how to sell controlled substances and makes money for the province. I guess those facts are the reason the current Conservative government wants to sell it off instead of making it the government controlled vendor of cannabis.
Well fellas, my sister has a prescription for it, to help with her anxiety and depression. She's also epileptic, so it goes well with her other medications. Has helped her immensely. I have a friend who works nights, and because of that now has insomnia. It has worked wonders for him. My cousin has a license to grow, due to the fact his wife has a plethora of medical conditions starting with she has had her stomach and bladder removed. He grows for her to have pain relief. My father also has anxiety, depression, and sleep issues, but has a lung issue preventing him from taking it through his lungs. I'm going to try and see if he will give an oral spray a go now that it's available publicly.
There are benefits.
They already have a demonstration on how it will be done.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2PLC_cBJwk4
Impaired driving, which includes impairment by alcohol, drugs or lack of sleep iirc, has been on the books for over 50 years in Ontario. Even though it is in the Ontario Highway Traffic Act it is a Criminal Code offence. So there have been tests and procedures for drug impaired driving for that long. None of the tests for drug impairment have included a machine like the breathalyzers used for testing the degree of alcohol impairment which made proceeding with drug driving charges difficult. That will and is changing. Keep in mind refusing the alcohol breathalyser is basically an automatic guilty to a drunk driving charge. Drug impaired driving is going to be a can of worms to figure out for the cops and courts and expensive for those charged if you fight it.
Even if you have your criminal record for simple possession expunged or the Federal Government allows you to apply for a pardon, which seems likely, it will cost you money to do and likely will not help you when trying to enter into the USA. Possession is still an offense in the US and you are likely still on the US police computer as having been charged with possession regardless of what your Canadian criminal record says.
This is really going to be fun till it is all worked out over time. OK, I'll stop being a killjoy.
Bob
Like many things in life, it is good stuff for those that can consume responsibly.
I tapped out many years ago. I do however find it quite interesting with all the goings on of the last while. It has been overlooked by authorities here on the coast for quite some time. There have been pot store in every city for at least five years. There are street front pot shops in Vancouver that have operated for over ten years. In my life the RCMP with there war on drugs, they have only been able to effectively drive up street prices. The weed industry in BC has been a very gentlemanly business going back to before I was old enough to have any involvement or knowledge. If the government can keep it that way, I’m happy with that. I find that will be interesting to see what unfolds over the next few years.
HARRYWALLY, now that is FUNNY. :rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:
I hope making pot legal won’t undermine our uniquely Canadian sense of humour.
Now that is a high one all things considered.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle12153014/
I guess under the circumstances he would prefer privatisation.:gaah:
Bob
Some good advice for Canadians crossing the US border:
https://www.billboard.com/articles/b...-border-patrol
Kinda figured this would fit in here :roflmao
https://photos.smugmug.com/Stuff/i-G...211328_n-M.jpg
It’s one thing to actually make money on a substance Canadians feel is not a threat to thier collective ways of life, and quite another via the savings incurred from policing, prosecuting, and ultimately jailing productive members of society. That’s going to be a huge savings!
Where Canada really forward thinking, they would take all the profits of the sales and put it towards mental health. In spite of what anyone says, “recreational use” of pot is a desire to escape reality. That’s a mental health issue. If they put the proceeds toward mental health and addiction services, crime rates would plummet (proven fact lost on much of America unfortunately). Then maybe they could put some resources towards solving white collar crime. You know, the crimes that REALLY cost every tax payer money.
I’m a fan of the legalization of pot. But in spite of people rambling off that pot isn’t physically addicting, as a crutch it is. Having lived in Holland and Jamaica collectively, I’ve seen what “pot addiction” can do. Jamaica with it still being illegal and not having mental health facilities leaves some of the population lost. Same in Holland, but they earmarked tax revenue to mental health facilities and the issue is lessened.
On paper, in the aggregate, legalization is way cheaper and less dangerous to society than It being a controlled substance. We will see soon enough if the economists were right - assuming gov doesn’t “steal” - I mean redirect all the revenue away from mental health.
Ha! Who are we kidding! Of course they will. It’s going to be a cluster!
I'm one of the many who have smoked pot in the past, but for whom it isn't a big deal. I'd rather have a sip of 18yo Highland Park or a good quality beer, but that's just me. So I don't have a big personal stake in this whole thing at the moment, but I think legalization is an important first step, and that once the kinks are worked out, our society will be better for it.
Among my reasons for thinking this:
1) as has been mentioned, taking money out of the pockets of organized crime and putting it towards our collective revenue. Back in the mid 90s and again in the early 2000s, I lived and worked in downtown Winnipeg and got to know an incredibly diverse cross-section of the community. Youth at risk, former gang bangers, addicts, folks dealing with addictions, folks dealing with mental health issues, and some who were dealing with all the above. Long story short, at that time pot distribution was firmly in the hands of Hells Angels and their feeder gangs. One of those youth at risk ended up dead (his name was Sirak and he was 14 when murdered) when he apparently tried to make a bit of $$ himself on the side when he was part of one of the Angels' feeder gangs. So to me, anything that cripples organizations like that while at the same time bringing in money for schools, roads, hospitals, etc., can't be all bad
2) the enforcement of previous pot legislation has been *clearly* shown to be massively disproportionate in its enforcement, largely along racial lines. The number of non-Caucasian Canadians with criminal records for simple possession is completely out of whack with reality. I don't like racist policies, nor do I like racist enforcement of policies, so again, it can't be all bad to scrap the existing system
3) as has also been mentioned there are many benefits associated with cannabis. Now that it's legal, hopefully research into those can proceed unfettered.
4) I honestly think the social cost of pot is WAY lower than that of alcohol. How many men get baked then go home and beat their wives and children compared to how may get drunk and do the same?
5) quite a few of my favourite people are either occasional or fairly regular users of pot, and I'm happy to think they can now do something that harms *no one* without fear of legal consequences.
My prediction has always been that there will be a big hoo-hah for a short while after legalization, then things will settle back down to more or less how it already was: those who want to consume cannabis will do so. Those who do not will not. And we'll look back and wonder why we all got so excited about this in the fall of 2018. :)
in the Netherlands it has been available as long as I remember. In the eighties I have smoked hashish a few times. I did not really like it. To me it felt like getting drunk without the hangover. I prefer a good alcoholic beverage.
Today’s shave with my first ever online pot order.
There’s hemp in the soap.
Guess my face will be high?
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Cheers.
I get the feeling you’re quite tickled about the laws changing 52! Lol
I have smoked enough pot in the past to equal more than enough for 10 men.
That said, I haven't touched the stuff in over 25 years. I think. In the US its still tested by employers. Yep, being in Colorado the taxes collected hit an amazing number in the first year. They have come down a little but not much. I hope the money is being used properly but I won't hold my breath when it comes to the state's controls on the money.
The Government says its illegal still. Where the line is for someone to not cross? I have no clue. How can the state say yes but answer to the government?
Personnaly, My step-son (31) lives in my house along with his daughter (6) and he finally got his life straightened out with the help of his mother. He is now a licensed Union Electrition. Makes good money and has finally got collectors paid off. Now he's working towards being in the Black instead of Red. Working on getting his Masters Licence. The problem I have is he smokes Pot daily. He doesn't keep it at home. I know he uses while working. I quit telling him he is taking a chance at ruining his and his daughter's life just so he can get high because it wasn't doing me any good.
So, if he requested to "pee in a cup", he is screwed! A quality job and life go down the drain! Where is the possitive? I'm against the state's rules allowing the use of M.J. as I know that it is addicting as I had to beat it in my past. It wasn't as hard to beat as cigarettes as I beat that too, but it wasn't easy. Some people don't have the will to control themselves. And the fact that it screws with your long-term memory is a fact. Another thing I know personally.
I wish I had never smoked pot and wish it would go away, but as they say, want in one hand and s............
I will get off my high horse now. JMHO. Now you know where the Gasman stand on this and I will say no more about it.
I find this thread really interesting from a US perspective. IMO, which counts for nothing, we have enough mental health and substance abuse issues without making it easier to get another "mode alterer". On the other hand, earcutter raises the interesting point that IF the tax revenue were used to establish a real system of mental health care and addiction treatment, maybe it wouldn't be all bad.
As it stands now, we have almost no real mental health system in the US, and abuse of all "drugs", including prescription drugs is skyrocketing.
Interesting timeline from Prohibition in Canada
In 1920, British Columbia votes to make alcohol available through the government. Manitoba and Saskatchewan follow a year later. The remaining provinces vote against prohibition by 1930, with the exception of P.E.I., which stays dry until 1948.
The United States remains under strict prohibition until 1933. The ban is intended to reduce crime, solve social problems and improve the health of American citizens. Instead, alcohol becomes more popular, creating an underground economy of booze smugglers and rumrunners. The U.S. hires 5,000 officers to enforce prohibition laws across the country, which is an impossible task. Some argue that prohibition has made alcohol easier to buy. The U.S. Coast Guard spends its time policing the Canada-U.S. border and routinely sinks boats carrying booze from Canada.
1933:
Prohibition ends in the United States
I've smoked plenty in my day, haven't touched it about 7 years. Grew some mean arse stuff that could give ya couch lock like you've never seen :roflmao
I'm ALL FOR the use of CBD oils and the amazing medical benefits it has. The only problem is CBD will contain a very minor amount of TCH in it.
So to legalize it here, Cannabis must be legalized. And BIG Pharma isn't going to let go of their multi-trillion dollar grasp on our country for a more natural and affective way to cure many of the diseases that plague us. They just keep you on something they produce till you die..........bottom line to it.
Sad but true.........
Can't see how legalizing another addictive/harmful substance can be a good thing. Heard stories from nurses who when questioning a new mother about her drug use (because of a obviously addicted newborn going through withdrawal) were told they didn't use drugs. Turns out they didn't think pot was a drug. What is going to be the long term effect on people (besides young boys with breasts) or loss of concentration and memory. It's already hard enough to find qualified employees. Still think what keeps some people from using it now is it's illegality. Just because it's legal doesn't make it harmless. What will the work force look like in 20 years? Just not convinced it's a good idea. JMHO
I am pleased that the research is really starting to gear up on the actual good properties of CBD oils and other byproducts.
DUI is still DUI and I don't believe in that at all, however what you do on your own is your business. Once I retire, I would not be surprised if I wouldn't partake...we will see. I do have a deep interest in the CBD oils as it's supposed to be good for arthritis and the such.
I imagine that all the "hubub" about legalization of marijuana is right in line with when they legalized alcohol...just without internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZTjSisCDvw
La crasse et le vide
La gueule et l'angoisse
La guerre aux métèques
Nègres, Juifs ou chiens
Ça n'fait rien !
Cannabis indica
Chanvre et Marie-Jeanne
Opium, haschisch
Blanche neige
Stick, kif, trip et joint
Herbe et voyage
Au bout de l'acide lysergique ditylamide
Et la nuit...
La viande aux hormones
La mer pleine de merde
Le monde en plastique
La structuration
Le métro !
Cannabis indica
Chanvre et Marie-Jeanne
Opium, haschisch
Blanche neige
Stick, kif, trip et joint
Herbe et voyage
Au bout de l'acide lysergique ditylamide
Et la nuit...
The main reason I'm in favor of legalization is that in the days of my youth (late 70s to early 80s), my greater Chicago-area law-enforcement authorities were in the practice of lacing marijuana with angel dust (PCP) and releasing it into the unsuspecting underground market to sort of flush out the networks as it were. That was a really bad thing to do, as folks just wanting to get mildly buzzed ended up getting temporarily zonked out of their minds. Had MJ been legal at the time, the material would have been regulated much as tobacco and alcohol are, and the police would not have had recourse to such actions; and if they had, they would have been held accountable for them.
I would lie to see it legalized in the US for the following reason. A young person I know, who is a productive member of society, was caught with a small amount while in college. He worked at a local movie theater through high school and was valued as an employee. When he returned for the summer, the movie theater wouldn't take him back.
He was able to get it expunged. I hate to see folks get held back over things like this.