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    Interesting thread!

    After reading it I would like to give my summary;

    1) As many have suggested, the 30/06 is the way to go. Especially when you start handloading you have more flexibility...110grains to 220grains! (I have loaded mine for more than 30 years now)

    2) An auto loader will not encourage the development of good shooting skills. Go with the bolt action

    3) Most makes of rifle now are of acceptable quality, go for what looks good and suits your budget.

    4) The recoil is easy to get used to. Do what I did, buy a .416 Rigby and when you take out the 30/06 again it feels like a .22 !

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickedNsliced View Post
    with a month to go before your class/permit I would really look at air rifles for cheap practice untill you get your rifle...and as I said before I don't think that you need any special permit for one as long as its velocity and chamber pressure are under the legal limit, but I'm not sure what that limit is since im not from canada.

    Thanks for the suggestion - Non-permit air gun velocity in Canada is less than 500 feet per second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton Man View Post
    Thanks for the suggestion - Non-permit air gun velocity in Canada is less than 500 feet per second.

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    Air rifles, especially the slower velocity ones, are great teaching aids for shooting. Since the velocity is so much lower than a real rifle you will need to learn to "follow through" with your shots. Any sort of shake after pulling the trigger will impact greatly on the accuracy of your shot, thus teaching you how to be super accurate. Great Advice Nicked

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    i would want a pre-64 winchester model 70 in .220 swift with a bull barrel and a powerful scope. if i can't have that i'll take a ruger no. 1 tropical in .375 h&h magnum. used to have a remington 700 in 22-250, which i loaded with a lee handloader. my father, whose hobby was shooting woodchucks in his semi-suburban yard, wanted to borrow it to nail a couple of them out the second floor window. i said sure, just make sure you shut the windows and pretend you're not at home because the cops will be there within seconds after you pull the trigger. i used to shoot it off a bipod and the grass would flatten out for 15 feet in front of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cannonfodder View Post
    If you are going big game, you need a big caliber. Moose is big. You need lots of penitration for an animal that size. A 30-06 will work on elk but you are pushing the limit. As a sportsman I want a quick clean kill. That elk went around a half mile before he dropped and that was with proper shot placement.

    I use a Browning A-bolt chambered in 338 Winchester mag and fitted with a Leupold scope. It may sound overkill for deer, but you can load it down for smaller game. But really, can you dispatch the animal to fast? A deer drops in its tracks and with the right loads I do not get a through and through which is good. That means the bullet expended all of its energy inside the animal killing it quickly. Go with hot 250 grain loads and it will drop an elk where it stands. Down side, you dont shoot it for pleasure. Ammo is expensive (I reload) and kicks like a mule.
    +1 on cannonfodder's magnum mindset.

    Why not pick up a WW2 Mauser in 8mm? The rifle is inexpensive, shoots very well, good caliber out to about 300 yards or so and commercial ammo is available.
    Plus, the rifle can be customized with a new barrel and such to make any magnum caliber rifle ya might want.
    A customized Military Mauser might run ya ~$300 if ya find a good one.

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    As for a .22 cal, I just picked up a savage 64 semi auto not too long ago for plinking.
    It shoots straight and eats up any .22 ammo I feed it.
    I bought it so my daughter can learn how to shoot a rifle with it.

    Happy Shooting !!

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    Just a bit of an update (since I don't like threads that ask for advice and then die an unresolved death).

    I just passed my firearms safety course and hunter's education course on the weekend! Woo! This means that I now get to enter the red-tape forest, and hope to emerge back to civilization sometime around mid to end of February with my Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) which will allow me to purchase a rifle or shotgun.

    That is all - and now back to your regularly scheduled reading.

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    I've never heard anyone say that "the government makes it easy" in Canada, even after having hunted there many years. The hoops to jump through to bring firearms into Canada and hunt there as an American are frankly mystifying.

    That being said, I think your choice of a .308 is excellent. I've used a .308 to hunt deer in Ontario and Manitoba and depending on the grain of the bullet (I've used both 150 and 180) a .308 is both a very good brush-buster and has excellent longer-range ballistics. I believe the famous American sniper Carlos Hath**** used a .308 though I may be mistaken.

    As far as your gun, that choice is up to you. I have an early Winchester model 88 that I absolutely love. Perhaps the lever action isn't the most practical for firing off a bunch rounds quickly, but that gun is a tack driver and its beautifully made. With deer anyway, you won't need more than a shot; I've never shot more than once at a deer with that gun and it's very effective at stopping.

    My two cents would be to buy a vintage gun that has some soul, whatever the make or model. IMO, older guns that have some history are much more rewarding to carry into the woods.

    The important thing though is that you'll be in the woods! There is nothing better. Good luck!

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    I happen to know a little about rifles, cartridges, and shooting & the .308 will do you fine. I would like to recommend that before settling on the Browning, you should shoot each of your buddies rifles to see which one fits you best.

    The most important thing you should get out of this thread is firearm safety, shot placement & clean kills.

    Happy hunting & congrats on part one of the red tape affair,
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    .308 is a fine caliber for what you're looking to hunt, but don't go wasting your time with air rifles in the hopes it will prepare you to shoot it. You'd might as well get a Nerf gun, because it will be about as comparable to a .308 as a break-barrel pellet gun, or whatever you're looking at.

    Instead of sinking money into an air gun, you should be looking to get yourself a better center-fire rifle. Everyone's been talking about Savage rifles, but you don't want one of those things. Yes they're cheap and will function, but you've got to consider the resources that will be made available to you once you get your PAL: you'll be able to get quality hunting rifles all over the place, often very affordably. Get a quality used rifle before you get a Savage.

    On the subject of bolt-action rifles - you may want to go for a lever-action instead. Like I said, there are varying qualities when it comes to bolt guns, and as a novice hunter, you may be faced with having to put a few rounds into an animal, should you get the chance to shoot at one. Cheaper bolt guns often mean you're lowering the rifle away from your shoulder to put another round in the chamber. Most lever guns are a little shorter in length and allow you to rack away the brass while keepig the gun at your shoulder, your eyes looking down the sights.

    Also consider lever guns often offer you the convenience of a box-fed magazine. When you're walking about with your rifle, say, on a roadway, you're legally required to empty your gun. If you're using a Savage, this means ejecting the rounds individually and having to fumble around with them with your gloved hands. In the bitter cold of Ontario, this is no fun. With a box magazine you just drop 'er in. *Click!* Five rounds, ready to go.

    So yeah - I wouldn't advise an air gun, but you can't go wrong with a .22 LR. Excellent target round. The ammunition is dirt cheap. Bolt guns are fun for .22's. I own a couple. But when it comes to .22's there only one to get: The Ruger 10/22. Stock magazine is 10 rounds (hence the x10 /.22 name), but with rimfire cartridges in Canada, this gun is a luxury, because you're not subject to the same restrictions you are with center-fire rounds, meaning you can purchase all of the attachments and accessories the Americans enjoy with his rifle, including 25, 30 and 50 round magazines for it, all in semi-automatic.

    Just type in a search for it on YouTube. It is the .22 rifle. One of the most customizable firearms in the world, this rifle.

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    And, my heckles went up after that one...

    To the OP: Savages are fine guns as are all the others that were recommended to you. My old .308 savage shown below has and still will outshoot many that are 3-4x as expensive. I know...in formal competition with this rifle. It's knowing your weapon, load, and your own skills that makes a shooter. The load: 178gr A-max, 38.0 gr H322, CCI LR Benchrest

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