Thread: How many people CCW here?

In Indiana the License To Carry Handgun is good for open or concealed carry. I usually carry concealed, so as to not alarm other sheeple.

I carry a .45ACP and/or .45 Long Colt and/or .22LR (from NAA). The ACP is usual, since it is easier to conceal and more comfortable to carry than the Long Colts.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

Most of the times I interact with police they don't care when I identify myself as carrying.

On one traffic stop a few years ago the traffic cop asked me where it was. When I told him it was on my waist he started giving me a long (15min) lecture on why I should not be wearing it. About how all it took was for someone to say that they think they saw it and I could lose my license. He was a complete idiot. I just let him run down and went on my way.

The others have said, "Fine, just leave it there."

How does that work?

Suppose I know you carry. I just go to the cops, tell them I 'saw' the gun, and then you lose your license?

Great thread. I believe there is little connection though between a persons interest in guns and personal protection rights and liberalism, conservatism, or feminism. probably a stronger connection to their experiences with guns and others that have them.

The only time I ever used a gun it was to stop an assailant who was in the act of raping and killing a woman in a field behind my house. It's a little ironic, for this thread, and a story that I rarely share.

It was in New Jersey, the assailant turned out to be a cop, and the woman is still, to this day, anti-gun. The presence of the gun alone changed a lot of attitudes that night. I strongly remember how all five of my neighbors refused to try to intervene, because "he might have a gun".

Now, I certainly could have just let the cop kill the woman and read about it the next day. That would have saved me a lot of trouble. The problem is it's just not the way I was raised or function in society. I'm still a little angry that five grown men decided to look the other way. But, I guess if that's the way they think, then there is little I can do about it.

So as much as I think the circumstances for needing a gun are ridiculously rare, I see them more as tools to ensure public safety and that bring with them a ton of responsibility.

Someone I know recently took a CCW class locally. He or she brought this back and I thought it might be interesting especially the part about "be very careful defending someone not on this list"

edit: "QT" is a local gas station convenience store

That's a very good summary of most States view, very cool. It can be hard to bulletize complex legal issues. There have been many legally justified CCW incidents that didn't involve relatives though. Luckily there would be no recourse for OK if someone failed to assist a non- relative, even in the throws of danger.

I remember when I was an EMT and was taught NEVER to attempt to save the life of anyone in Maryland when you are off-duty.

I could just imagine standing there watching someone bleed out and thinking "where is the State line from here?"

Originally Posted by Crotalus

They have been talking about open carry in Texas on and off. I'm not sure I would open carry even if it passes. I worry someone would make a grab for it.

S&W 4013TSW

I feel the same way. Here in Virginia, anyone may carry open, but it requires a permit to conceal. I don't like the idea of just anyone knowing I, or anyone may be armed. IWB, or in a day bag, 23 Glock S&W 40. cal "The Second amendment IS my concealed weapons permit! PEROID!!" -T.Nugent

Originally Posted by AFDavis11

Great thread. I believe there is little connection though between a persons interest in guns and personal protection rights and liberalism, conservatism, or feminism. probably a stronger connection to their experiences with guns and others that have them.

Very well said. The Democratic base has been largely urban since the turn of the last century. Most urban voters have very little experience with firearms and the experience that they do have is generally that they are used to commit a crime.

Originally Posted by AFDavis11

The only time I ever used a gun it was to stop an assailant who was in the act of raping and killing a woman in a field behind my house. It's a little ironic, for this thread, and a story that I rarely share.

It was in New Jersey, the assailant turned out to be a cop, and the woman is still, to this day, anti-gun.

But is she anti-cop?

Originally Posted by AFDavis11

The presence of the gun alone changed a lot of attitudes that night. I strongly remember how all five of my neighbors refused to try to intervene, because "he might have a gun".

Wow, that's lame. I mean, I understand the fear, but people are able to overcome their fear when they have to act to save another. I ran into the middle of a gang melee once because a kid was getting wailed on with a bat. I was totally unarmed and it was an absolutely stupid thing for me to do (in retrospect), though it did break up the fight. I am by no means a physically courageous person, either. It was just a reaction.

Originally Posted by AFDavis11

Now, I certainly could have just let the cop kill the woman and read about it the next day.

You could have, but, as I discovered from my experience, that is a very hard thing to do.

Originally Posted by AFDavis11

That would have saved me a lot of trouble. The problem is it's just not the way I was raised or function in society. I'm still a little angry that five grown men decided to look the other way. But, I guess if that's the way they think, then there is little I can do about it.

So as much as I think the circumstances for needing a gun are ridiculously rare, I see them more as tools to ensure public safety and that bring with them a ton of responsibility.

The bystander effect has been studied extensively by sociologists. The findings are (to my mind at least) very important.

Originally Posted by Bruno

How does that work?

Suppose I know you carry. I just go to the cops, tell them I 'saw' the gun, and then you lose your license?

I don't know about how they are in other states but its not that easy to get your license yanked in my state. There is a process the police have to go through. There has to be multiple incidents. Just someone going to them and claiming they saw the gun won't do it. I am sure police in areas that are not as gun friendly would give a person some trouble. Most of the police in my area would look at the person and ask, "Does he have a permit?" Oh OK. My local police are pretty sharp fellas and it doesn't take them long to spot someone trying to stir the pot.

Originally Posted by Bruno

How does that work?

Suppose I know you carry. I just go to the cops, tell them I 'saw' the gun, and then you lose your license?

The real trouble would be if you told the cops that someone brandished their weapon in a threatening manner. This is why concealed means concealed, and why some people are very reluctant to discuss it openly.

“To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.” -Ted Nugent