Thread: Brno rifles

Actually Very high velocity make for a very deadly outcome because than hydraulics come into play.Ever see a person hit in the chest with an M16? I have.
Tiny entrance hole,roll him over and you have an exit wound you can stick your fist in

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Actually Very high velocity make for a very deadly outcome because than hydraulics come into play.Ever see a person hit in the chest with an M16? I have.
Tiny entrance hole,roll him over and you have an exit wound you can stick your fist in

Well I am glad to say I haven't seen that but yeah... that's kind of what I was talking about.

The small hole - big hole isn't speed though. That's fantastic bullet construction. In theory you can create a bullet to do that at any speed... of course too slow will bounce off. But even a .45 ACP moving at 800ft/s will create a small hole big hole kind oh thing.

This was during the mid 60s in a far away asian country,FMJ rounds.
Extreame Velocity has an awsome effect on mammalian bodys of all sorts,Even with a
.223 cal.the wounds are incredible.
For game tho I agree,give me a big ol, slow moving rnd that enters and do's not exit any day,the idea is to kill and preserve as much edible meat as possible.
Course back in the day when spotlighting little coastal blacktails (I had a family to feed and no money) pop them in the ear with a .22 rimfire,they go down like a rock,dead is dead.

Hey I think you are the second guy I know of who's talked favorably on the .233's effect on the "prey" that they are generally manufactured for today. Interestingly, the other guy I know of is special ops, and he likes the round just fine. That's kind of interesting considering you both have seen its effects.

Anyway, yeah, for hunting slow and heavy works just fine if you can place your bullet on its target. Personally I love the "thump" lol. And I love story's like Wullies where the bullet goes threw an entire car lol. But there is the whole school of thought that believe in hydrostatic shock. Being a bit under the weather today, I just couldn't remember what it was called.

Hydrostatic shock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The basic theory being, that the speed of the bullet is almost as important as the placement. It's all voodoo, but the theory states that if the bullet is traveling fast enough, you'll create a shock on the body be it human or animal, that'll mess with the circulatory system and hence the animal will die of complications of the bullets speed on that system faster than the damage caused by the bullets path on the tissue.

Maybe it's all a give-in today, but back in the day it was quite the debate. I personally don't think there is any substitute to a dude knowing his weapon and placing the bullet where it's suppose to go... in a hunting environment. That's a mans responsibility in my eyes. But in an environment of war - a magic bullet that's fast and can kill on a "miss" would be a god-send I would think.

Funny that the high speed/small caliber vs low speed/large caliber bullets still rages on. It just depends what you want to do I guess. I know what the 223 can do and also what the 308 can do on 1/2 inch mild steel plate at 500 yards. I was shooting my FNC1 with issue FMJs and a buddy was shooting his civilian version M16 with issue 223 FMJs. With the 308 the plat jumped on impact but barely moved with the 223. On inspection the 308 drilled through and the 223 left splatter marks. At any distance over 200 yards I would feel better with the 308 but close in I don't think it would matter. Don't really care to test that theory out though. Both have their place and are deadly.

Bob

lol - you know Bob, there are those men who do, and those who talk... unfortunately I talk more than I do these days lol. Though, I have to admit I am not sure that ever mattered lol. I love ballistics, and I'll talk for hours on end about the effects of any caliber according to what the paper says it'll do vs. real life experience lol.

But I tell you what - I'll never say I did, when all I did was read. I just love all the theory's. If I could do it all again I would be a ballistic scientist lol.

I was a navy corpsman,all I ever saw was the carnage to the bad guys.
All I was issued was a .45 1911A1
Shot a water buff with it once,some pigs,some chickins,made alot of noise with it.
always had to pretend you were a killer of the V.C.bunch of B.S.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

I was a navy corpsman,all I ever saw was the carnage to the bad guys.
All I was issued was a .45 1911A1
Shot a water buff with it once,some pigs,some chickins,made alot of noise with it.
always had to pretend you were a killer of the V.C.bunch of B.S.

That's a good thing bro lol - thanks for your service.

High speed versus "normal" ammo?

I'll take the "normal" stuff, thank you very much.

I had a Model 70 in 220 Swift. It would blow those little pills out of the barrel at over 4K fpm and shot the barrel out in just over a thousand rounds. It would EVAPORATE birds. Nothing but a red mist and few feathers floating down. Maybe a leg still holding the limb it was perched on. 22 cal hole in the front side of an old oil can. 40 cal hole on the back side with a BUNCH of tiny holes from fragments of the bullets. Had it shooting 10 shot groups you could cover with a dime at 100 yards. About the time I got the load I really liked, that damn barrel eroded out and the groups opened up. I sold it and neglected to volunteer the info about the barrel as the guy buying it didn't ask. LOL

Buddy of mine bought a 22-250. He thought it the do-all to end-all. It was a HOT SOB, no doubt about that. BUT, it didn't have what it took in my opinion. One evening we were walking back to camp and nice little buck jumped and ran off down hill from us. He stopped and Brett took a shot. That deer went straight up in the air! When he hit the ground, I plugged him in the neck and he grew to the ground. The deer was facing away from us and we were shooting down hill. That 22-250 shaved a swath of hair off the flank of the deer and then the bullet blew up when it hit some thicker hair on his belly. A few fragments peppered his hide and we figured that was what made him jump. My 6.5 Swede broke his neck.

I'm with Bill on the .22's. I've lived off "pasture rats" too when I couldn't afford beef. Standard velocity 22 LR's and a baby nipple stretched across the muzzle. Makes a pretty quiet combination.

Yea, hot rock calibers are hell on barrel throats for sure. If you load any caliber to the max, shoot lots and fast you can bring on erosion faster than normal too. Those maxed out loads may not be the most accurate too for that rifle. A friend told me he got his best accuracy at just under the max velocity he could load for. Oddly enough I think he was right from the little reloading I did. Easier on the gun and you. Besides 100 or so fps is not going to make much difference if you put the round where it is supposed to go.

The other funny thing that can happen is that when you develop max hunting loads in cool fall weather you can get a nasty surprise using them in the hot summer weather. Buddys hot 7mm Rem Mag loads worked up in the fall took about 3 rounds to seize his bolt up in the hot summer weather. Nothing like loading to the ragged edge to give some unexpected thrills.

Ballistics tables are fun to look at when comparing different calibers and making choices. There are so many other variables in deciding what rifle will work for you along with personal preferences too. Much like straight razor shaving and getting a good end result. OTH trying all the different combinations out is just so much fun.

Bob