1st hone a 12k??

**Siguy** · 10-15-2013, 04:35 PM

Gents,

I have more razors than I expected to have since I started out with the straights about 1-1/2 months ago. Seems "My Precious" has become My Precious' . <Shut up! If "twerk" is a word, then so is Precious'!>

This is by no means a bad thing. However, I have zero hones.

Here's my quandry(YES! Got to use that word!):

All my razors are more or less shave ready. I believe I could get a little better from some of the 'tiques that I picked up.

Does it make sense for me to consider a Naniwa 12k ss as my first honing stone? Now, if I wasn't on a budget I would get a 1k, 4k, 8k *and* 12k. Lynn's video has me believin'.

**gssixgun** · 10-15-2013, 04:48 PM

Yes

I only wish I had been lead to a nice Naniwa SS 12k back in 1981 it would have made the next 20+ years soooooooo much easier

Keep in mind and I only say this because it is possible, that 12k and an Artificial Prep Stone used diligently can do everything but set a Heavy Bevel, honest I kid you not.. Even if you only use it as a maintenance hone it is well worth the money

**Siguy** · 10-15-2013, 05:09 PM

@gssixguns,

The product description has me somewhat confused(as well as being new to hones):

A fine man-made stone used to prepare polishing stones for use. It is rubbed in a circular motion over the wet polishing stones to quickly get the abrasives into a paste consistency to save sharpening time and encourage even wear on stones. Approx. size 7/8" x 7/8" x 3".

I thought there was no prep needed on the Naniwa 12k and that it was ready to go. Am I misunderstanding? Did you mean diligently using Nagura stone on the 12k or on the razor itself as a lower level prep? Also, please define what "diligent use" means to you.

Kind Regards,

**gssixgun** · 10-15-2013, 05:33 PM

You threw in a few questions hehehe

The Naniwa SS is NOT ready to go it requires lapping just like every other stone a DMT 325 or Atoma 400 are the two most popular plates used on here.. You can also use a flat surface and W/D sandpaper, but trust me here the DMT 325 is my most used hone out of all of them

The use of the Prep stone is found here in a more advanced scenario

http://straightrazorpalace.com/advan...lynn-glen.html

also here with the Norton 4/8 like I used to use before I bought way to many hones

gssixgun Honing on a Norton 4-8 - YouTube

**Siguy** · 10-15-2013, 05:42 PM

Uuuyy. Deeper down the rabbit hole

I'm off to your reference thread when I get a chance.

**bill3152** · 10-15-2013, 06:14 PM

Buy a full spread of choseras, suehiros and jnats and add an escher and a few more jnats and cotis. Oops left out the welsh hones and a few others. Lol. The naniwa is a fine hone and will serve you well. Just lap it first as was said.

**Siguy** · 10-16-2013, 12:00 AM

I've got a 400 grit piece of 3M wet/dry glued to a 2x4. You think that will work for lapping, guys?

**Chevhead** · 10-16-2013, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Siguy

I've got a 400 grit piece of 3M wet/dry glued to a 2x4. You think that will work for lapping, guys?

You NEED it To Be PERFECTLY FLAT

**onimaru55** · 10-16-2013, 12:46 AM

This may help.
http://straightrazorpalace.com/srpwi...ne_Lapping_101

**Siguy** · 10-17-2013, 03:03 PM

More information and more questions(I'm trying to to retread the same ground on a separate thread):

I two American razors(5/8, 6/8), both honed well (one pro-hone and one nearly as well honed). The other razors are 'tique pickups-Fred Reynolds(no visible hone wear), Geo Wostie(moderate hone wear) and a Koeller(no hone wear. All 11/16s though I haven't measured the latter). I can shave with them all, however, the vintage blades seems to shave really well and feel great on my face. The pro-hone is probably the closest shaver, but doesn't seem as comfortable. I can't explain that one.

I have two strops. One hanging pasted with .3 CrOx. I will give them 10-20 laps. I have a bench strop that I will strop all the razors on while watching TV or listening to radio. Best tool in teaching stropping technique, IMO. I'm a stropping zombie at this point.

My razor acquisitions in the forseeable future are most likely more local 'tique buys(beaters and restos), budget permitting.

I need to start thinking about honing hardware, maybe, focusing just on razors I have for the moment. So, maybe a maintenance focus over a bevel-up plan. Budget consciousness is a concern. I've read the lapping wiki and have a cutting board size piece of granite and know how to accomplish lapping.

The refreshing stone Glen linked to earlier, is that used just to create a little slurry on the 12k stone to more aggressively attack the blade? Does it too need to be lapped? I'm betting yes.

Honing my vintage razors(no wedges yet, mostly hollows) also gives me pause. Why? Because I have no idea how they were originally honed. Tape, no tape, etc. Any advice here?

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