Thread: Honing Frustration, and a question

Originally Posted by jgjgjg

When you say shaving @ 4k do you mean "bald patches on the arm"?

It should be cutting arm hairs, not nicely but it should be cutting

Originally Posted by jgjgjg

Also, back before we had synthetics, what was the honing sequence people used? I'm thinking of course of all those clean shaven Romans.

I have no idea of what was happing thousands of years ago but i do know that every country seems to have there course and finishing stone. Japan has the aoto, nagara, amakusa and the triditional jnats that everyone knows about.

Coticule stones were imported to Rome.

Originally Posted by Brighty83

If its not great you should be using the 8k or 4k before even thinking of the jnat. Make sure you can start to cut hairs at the 4k and it should be cutting well by the 8K.

There is no way i would be going to the jnat before this.

Brighty, thanks and that's what I'll today. I was able to shave with it succesfully this morning... but 'successful' is not 'comfortable'.

Also tried something else new this morning, and discovered that the first guy to rub an Alum block over his face must have been one tough, masochistic, mother!

Originally Posted by Brighty83

I have no idea of what was happing thousands of years ago but i do know that every country seems to have there course and finishing stone. Japan has the aoto, nagara, amakusa and the triditional jnats that everyone knows about.

By the way, my jnat collection consists of an aoto, a Ohira suita that suspect is an 8k ish stone, and a few 'finishers'. I'm thinking of using that sequence prior to devolving to the shaptons. I'm on an all natural kick! Hey, I even waited to start until I could find a razor with wood scales!

Originally Posted by Lemur

Coticule stones were imported to Rome.

You know, I chuckle every time I hear 20 and 30 somethings referring to 'the global economy' and 'things are different now' and 'the interconnected world'. The Greeks were trading tin with Celts as far back as we have records, silk travelled almost halfway around the world. While it was, admittedly, quite rare, there are archeological instances where indians in far north North America had relics from South America.

We've always been a global people!

I have an ohira suita level 4 stone that I use after the 1k with a heavy dmt slurry and dilute down as Im working it. Then after that I use a finisher (you can finish on this stone but its a coti like shave sharp but I like it sharper) break 2 tomo or light dmt slurries and Im done. ANd I mean very light slurry, something that breaks down and changes color fast.

Hi jgjgjg;
I am trying to understand what you are doing and maybe have missed something. The razor used had a shave ready edge that needed touch up correct? You say you have a very fine J-nat. How did you determine this?
MIke

Originally Posted by MODINE

Hi jgjgjg;
I am trying to understand what you are doing and maybe have missed something. The razor used had a shave ready edge that needed touch up correct? You say you have a very fine J-nat. How did you determine this?
MIke

Yes, that's correct.

Stone: 2 things. First, it gives truly superlative edges on other tools. It takes longer, but give edges that are, for example, better than the .25 micron diamond film sold by Lee Valley. Secondly, it was sold to me by a member of this site who is a stone vendor and whose reputation is widely respected on this site. He claims to have shaved, comfortably, directly off this particular stone.

I suspect it's a combination of newbie technique on my part, and the one-sided smile on the other that's hurting me.

By the way, this razor for whatever reason REALLY doesn't like the shapton 8k.

The real issue I'm having is that I can't use feedback. I'll take half a dozen strokes and to the hair test, and it'll begin looking hopeful. Then half a dozen more that look and feel the same, test again and it's regressed. Half a dozen more, and it seems to get better, then regresses, etc.

My arms and legs look like I'm ready to go on the Tour de France.

As mentioned earlier it could be a good “base” stone for chisels and tools. 20 to 30 light X strokes water only (no slurry, no nagura) on a quality J-nat razor finisher should significantly improve the razors edge.
Mike

Originally Posted by jgjgjg

By the way, this razor for whatever reason REALLY doesn't like the shapton 8k. Really Really odd

The real issue I'm having is that I can't use feedback. Not Understanding this at all perhaps some more explanation is in order

I'll take half a dozen strokes and to the hair test, and it'll begin looking hopeful. Then half a dozen more that look and feel the same, test again and it's regressed. Half a dozen more, and it seems to get better, then regresses, etc. Again this really makes no sense unless you are doing something very odd or the razor is out of whack

Do you think we can see some pics of the razor showing the spine and the edge heel to toe on both sides what brand of razor is it ????