Thread: les latneuses coticule or Thuringain?

I know I don't need either, but was wondering what others think. First are they a similar feel and keeness?
Second my understanding is that because the edge profiles created by these stones are different and not complementary, I would not want to go from a coticule to an esher or the other way around?
Do people use a Thuringain like a coticule and hone with one stone, or is it ok to go from a coticule to a Thuringain if you use slurry and spend sometime diluting down to water?

I had a razor someone honed on an esher, which I understand is a Thuringain and I hone on coticule. I liked the edge from both of these. So would the edge be different from a Les Latneuses then my other coticules?
Would the Thuringain edge feel different than the Escher?

I have no idea what the science would be with a coti and an escher not being compatible. I do however wonder why you would go from a finisher to a finisher. I am under the impression that you are wanting to use these hones as finishers. You can one stone with a lot of the naturals. Not all Eschers are the same. I have a blue Escher, with label so it is an Escher not a random Thuringian, and it is so slow that it would take a long time to one stone with it. I know a lot of coti guys do one stone, but most others, although you technically can one stone, go up a little way before they use their finisher. There are sort of two things about a hones. Speed and fineness. If you have both one stone is quick and easy. Most stones lack one side or the other. There's my two cents.

P.S.
The hand has a lot to do with the final outcome.

Most of what I do is not bevel setting. I have set a bevel on a coticule and it was a long process, especially on a smiling barber wedge. I don't have other stones. I was not wanting to finish from one stone to another. I was wondering if I got a Thuringain since my razors are all set on coti would it be a problem when it needed touch up to than go to Thuringain? I do realize that not all of one kind of stone are the same. That is why I also tried to narrow it down with a coti type and when I say Thuringain I do not mean Escher. I mean a newer Thuringain from the same quarry that the Escher came from.

Sorry I have been looking at stones and these are the questions that came up. I can get a Thuringain for alot less money and much easier to get than a les latneuses coticule. I do love the way the les latneuses looks and the fact that it has two different sides making it more like two for one even if the price is more like 3. So basically I narrowed my search to these two and wanted others real world experience with these and if anyone had gone back an forth with them with no problems.

Ok. Well that makes way more sense. I was very confused, but that happens easily. I cannot for see a problem. If you are touching up an edge it should make no difference what was previously used on that edge. So many activities here are very subjective and you cannot definitely say. I have not tried it myself but I would do it.

IME a thuringan is a finisher. In fact, I was taught to only use it with a razor that was already shaving well at at least the 8k level. As far as one or the other, I've had good ones in both les lat, and thuri. For a finisher I'd give the edge (no pun) to the thuringan. YMMV.

Used correctly, a Les Latneuses will provide an excellent shaving edge. It *can* be used as an all-in-one hone (the one I have can be pretty fast on slurry). However, using a progression to get to the pre-shave-ready edge is faster and more reproducible.

At that point the Les Lat will produce a lovely shaving edge. It differs somewhat from the edge a good thuringian produces, but that's a 'qualitative' difference in the feel of the shave (IME).

I have both, and I cannot pick one that I prefer - sometimes I like one, sometimes the other.

Originally Posted by rideon66

I mean a newer Thuringain from the same quarry that the Escher came from.

Can you elaborate on this? It sounds like a familiar false claim from a certain webshop.

Do, be careful purchasing “New/Old Stock” stones of exaggerated grit ratings.

If this is the path you choose to take, (non-synthetic), do yourself a favor and buy a quality, proven, old stock, real Thuringian, if not an Escher. Nice ones are not that, expensive. The performance will be well worth the cost.

Reviews on New/Old stock Thuringian/unlabeled “Escher’s” are not good. Buy proven performers, or better yet, buy a 12K Super Stone for half the cost and bullet proof, proven performance, ($87 at SRD).

The 12k will do all you need, short of major restore work…

12k Bevel Set

Originally Posted by Piet

Can you elaborate on this? It sounds like a familiar false claim from a certain webshop.

Yes this is from a website that sells new coticules, eschers, and thuringains. All I know is the site was a link from probably the most reputable coti site.

Originally Posted by yohannrjm

Used correctly, a Les Latneuses will provide an excellent shaving edge. It *can* be used as an all-in-one hone (the one I have can be pretty fast on slurry). However, using a progression to get to the pre-shave-ready edge is faster and more reproducible.

At that point the Les Lat will produce a lovely shaving edge. It differs somewhat from the edge a good thuringian produces, but that's a 'qualitative' difference in the feel of the shave (IME).

I have both, and I cannot pick one that I prefer - sometimes I like one, sometimes the other.

Just for the record (although I think you know, Yohann, but others may not be aware of this), Les Latneuses are actually three coticule layers, hence the plural s. There is the so-called 'hybrid' layer sandwiched between a (generally speaking) fast (on slurry) creamy layer and a (generally speaking) slower (on slurry) creamy layer. I have used all of these, and all of them give a very comparable edge.

And if we're talking about the MST/Müller Thuringians (they are Thüringers, as they are from the Thüringen area), I've not had the pleasure of using one myself, but I've heard both "not much different from vintage Thuringians" and "definitely inferior to vintage Thuringians". Presumably they will put a shaveable edge on a razor, but the nuance may be something to argue over. But again, I have never used one. They're not very expensive, though, so I might consider at some point. Just to try.