Thread: Fastest progression possible

Originally Posted by sidmind

You asked about speed of progression, without mentioning budget or any other factors so I will answer based on that only.

It is well known the Chosera stones cut very fast, if not the fastest. I use a Chosera 1k, Chosera 3k, Snow White Original 8k (Which is really a Chosera 8k), SS12, GS20 You can't get much faster than that, depending on the sharpie test which I do when I first start I sometimes start with the Chosera 3k. The 1k through 8k is the slowest part of the progression, and gets faster as you move up. So getting fast cutting stones at those lower levels is important.

I looked up the brand inside this. I'm not sure if I still need the SS12 but it looks like this would be my best option for what you have told me. Minus the GS20

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So you want speed huh ?
Talking edge restoring not honing I gather ?

Diamond plates will do the speed aspect but you will lose time trying to fix the deep scratches later. Catch 22.
One of the fastest synthetics I've used is the Shapton Pro/Ha No Kuromaku line especially on slurry. Like diamond plates they can be pretty scratchy on razors in the coarse grits. 320-1000 grit

It may be better to compromise that extreme cutting speed for a more razor friendly stone.
i'm very impressed with the Chocera line in that regard but can only speak re the 1k & 5k as yet. The 1k doesn't have the Pro's speed but the razor doesn't need so much "healing" afterwards.
I'd like to try the coarser Chocera grits. If they work as I expect I could easily see myself retiring my Shaptons to knife work.

dmt 1200 ---> dmt 8k -----> thuri

stupid fast i would think

Originally Posted by J743

dmt 1200 ---> dmt 8k -----> thuri

stupid fast i would think

Till ya get to the Thuri

I ruled out diamond plates a while ago because I know just how aggressive they are. I do have a 1K diamond plate that I have used for removing chips before but I didn't like how it worked so now I just use it as a lapping plate.

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I just played with 1k Chosera, Yaginoshima Namito, Nakayama Kiita with its own slurry. Worked pretty fast at a 3 razor session.

Originally Posted by mainaman

I just played with 1k Chosera, Yaginoshima Namito, Nakayama Kiita with its own slurry. Worked pretty fast at a 3 razor session.

Nice progression. As for the Yaginoshima stones, I think they are underrated, let alone unknown by the majority. They are not fine, but they can be really really fast.

Originally Posted by Vasilis

Nice progression. As for the Yaginoshima stones, I think they are underrated, let alone unknown by the majority. They are not fine, but they can be really really fast.

I have to say that it depends on the stone, I had a Yaginoshima Asagi, that was extremely hard and a definite finisher. The curious part was it was very dark gray (the darkest I have seen) and had a lot of goma.

1K Diamond plates (CKTG 400/1000) work very well to flatten bevels on hard steel, or for repair work, but as said will leave a chippy edge.

Joint the edge on a good 1k stone, quickly re-set the edge on the 1k stone and remove the deep stria in 15-20 laps. Then polish on a 2k, (Naniwia Green Brick). This will remove all the deep 1k stria and make polishing the bevel much easier and a bit quicker with a 3, 4, or 5k.

The trick is jointing the edge straight and removing the chippy steel and deep stria with a 1 & 2k stone.

I use this as a repair technique, not for garden variety honing. For that, use I use a Nubatama 1k, Ume, a very hard and fast 1k, that leaves shallower stria than a Norton or Chosera.

The Nubatama 4k is a soft, fast, fine cutting 4k. Feels softer than a Chosera, kind of like a Coticule feel, that easily removes 1 or 2k stria.

A lot about speed in honing, is dictated by the hardness of the razor steel and what needs to be done. The bulk of your time is in flattening the bevel at the bevel set, especially with repair work.

My daily, full progression is a Nubatama Ume 1k, (the rust speckled one) Naniwia Green Brick 2k, a Nubatama Ume (Plum) 4k, Naniwia Snow White 8k (the original, Junpaku IF-0001), an old 12k (Pink) Super Stone, and a GS20. It is the fastest, smoothest progression I have found that work well together for most honing.

Repair work is another story, you have to do what is needed.

Originally Posted by J743

dmt 1200 ---> dmt 8k -----> thuri

stupid fast i would think

Well, yes. Stupid fast.