I,ve watched mastro livi progression yes it quik . I,ve tried Lynn's circle process on the naniwas that to me is very quik and effective . As time has gone by I,ve tried simplifying razor honing . 3 k naniwas to set the bevel and straight to water on the coticule which is more or less what livi does, I,ve watched videos of mastro livi going from 3 k to crhronium oxide now that's quik.