Thread: Honing and the temperature of a stone

This idea popped in my head while I was contemplating removing a vintage coticule from its wooden box. I'm planning on keeping it to store the stone (hence no brake cleaner or rubbing alcohol), but want to lap and use it out of the box. I was reading threads on putting it in the oven as well as hot water and have not seen someone have an issue (yet, I only read 5 threads so far). I'm still debating the pros and cons of each and weighing that against my inherent laziness.

However, I was thinking about what if I was dumb enough to grab a hot coticule from the oven and just start whaling away on it with some razors. Would the binder stone expand around the garnets? Would they expand more than the binder and break loose? Would absolutely nothing of significance change and this thread will be rendered mute in 5 posts or less? What about a frozen stone? Shall I start freezing my 1k to gain some benefit?

Bonus posts on anyone have issues with either the water method or oven method would be cool. EDIT: I'm referring to the methods of REMOVING A STONE GLUED IN A BOX. Since confusion is becoming apparent.

If you freeze a water hone that is porous to water, unless it is completely dried out first, you will end up with many small hones.

I doubt if heat at the scale we are talking about would have any significant impact on honing as I would assume that the temperatures would be too slight to have any effect. These are experiments I am not willing to try!

Why on earth would you want to put a coticule in either hot water or an oven? I've read some pretty insane theories from enthusiastic amateurs on many different forums, but this one made me stop and look twice. I won't even touch the frozen stone comment.

If you can't hone a razor with a stone as it came out of the ground, changing its temperature is not going to change that.

Only Put It In The Oven If You Plan On Eating It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ha............If You Have Stones To Waste Try It Let Us All Know How It Turns Out For Ya,,,,,,But Everything About This Spells Bad Idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ty

Originally Posted by sqzbxr

Why on earth would you want to put a coticule in either hot water or an oven? I've read some pretty insane theories from enthusiastic amateurs on many different forums, but this one made me stop and look twice. I won't even touch the frozen stone comment.

If you can't hone a razor with a stone as it came out of the ground, changing its temperature is not going to change that.

This was a crack pot idea while researching how to remove a stone that is glued to a box. Removing the stones in these methods has been done by people in the past.

Am I going to actually hone on a oven fresh stone? No, see the laziness comment above. Is this an insane theory? Ehh, depends on your definition of insane.

However, There is a wide reach of our forum. I'm sure those in Thailand are honing on warmer stones than me in the winter. Why does this matter? As I work with a company that has to deal in microns at times, I understand that small temperature changes can affect things significantly in certain situations. Maybe a 50 degree change one way or the other could influence a stone for better or worse depending on the requirements of the stone.

I would first sprinkle some cheese on top, then 10' at 275°C et voilà !

Originally Posted by Addison

Only Put It In The Oven If You Plan On Eating It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ha............If You Have Stones To Waste Try It Let Us All Know How It Turns Out For Ya,,,,,,But Everything About This Spells Bad Idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ty

Not wasting stones. Trying to remove one from a box and had a crack pot idea that I'm just trying to discuss and not actually perform.

I was not being dismissive, but I don't think the relatively trivial temperature change would significantly alter the condition of the binder or the garnets. A temperature increase might cause a differential expansion of one relative to the other but I would think it would have to be a much greater temperature.

If you do decide to put cheese on that warm stone, you might as well add bacon too!

Originally Posted by Utopian

I was not being dismissive, but I don't think the relatively trivial temperature change would significantly alter the condition of the binder or the garnets. A temperature increase might cause a differential expansion of one relative to the other but I would think it would have to be a much greater temperature.

If you do decide to put cheese on that warm stone, you might as well add bacon too!

@Utopian; I know you weren't, I've noticed your scientifically oriented mind in the past and I was hoping you'd chime in. I had the same thoughts on the levels of expansion, but figured I would post the arbitrary thought process anyways. Aaaaaand now I want bacon.

I'm putting odds at 28.3% that someone on this forum has either honed while the heat was broken or used a hot stone for some reason.

Taters On The Side,,,,, When All Said & Done You Had A Great Breakfast Probably Still Have A Stone In The Box!!!!!!!!!!!! But Hey You Gave It Your Best Shot!!!!!!!!Ty