Thread: Shapton 16k, mixed grit??

More proof that the Shapton 16k is not just a 16k stone.

I dont know how to include the youtube link from the app. Drmatt reviewed the stones and it showed very coarse scratches.

This Canadian seller of Shapton hones doesn't recommend the 16K for razors.

https://www.paulsfinest.com/collecti...ne-16-000-grit

Having both a 12K Naniwa and a 16K Shapton I can see why it would have been better to go with the 20K Shapton.

Bob

I have been a huge fan of the Shapton glass stones for quite some time and I will say that it is the most precise system available on the market...but not that many honers can get the best of them. They are very fast and you can easily overhone on 16k, the stones have excellent feedback. My personal favorite is a progression from 2,4,8,16k followed by thuringian. A very sharp, but smooth edge.

Originally Posted by ScottGoodman

I have been a huge fan of the Shapton glass stones for quite some time and I will say that it is the most precise system available on the market...but not that many honers can get the best of them. They are very fast and you can easily overhone on 16k, the stones have excellent feedback. My personal favorite is a progression from 2,4,8,16k followed by thuringian. A very sharp, but smooth edge.

Me too Scott,

If you are a ‘Glass’ fan and haven’t tried the G7 series, I would encourage you to do so. They are not smaller versions of the HR according to Sharpening Supplies. And they’re 7mm thick vs 5mm.

Other than being thicker, it appears like the same system as the "Glass". Heck, I only hone for myself and its doubtful that I will ever wear these out.

Heads up, the 30k is not worth it as few...very few razors can handle that fine of an edge.

Originally Posted by ScottGoodman

I have been a huge fan of the Shapton glass stones for quite some time and I will say that it is the most precise system available on the market...but not that many honers can get the best of them. They are very fast and you can easily overhone on 16k, the stones have excellent feedback. My personal favorite is a progression from 2,4,8,16k followed by thuringian. A very sharp, but smooth edge.

1) The 16k stone is not a 16k stone. It's not a matter of overhoning. One pass on the 16k creates scratches way coarser than 16.000 grit. See the video by drmat on youtube.

2)Many websites sell the 10.000 grit stone at a higher price than the 16.000 grit.

3)Quite a few websites have listed that the shapton 16k stone is made of mixed grit. From I think 2000 to 16000 grit particles.

4)The 16k stone is not recommended for razors.
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If people love the 16k stone, that's great. The point is that is not a 16k stone.

Originally Posted by SharpMan

1) The 16k stone is not a 16k stone. It's not a matter of overhoning. One pass on the 16k creates scratches way coarser than 16.000 grit.

If people love the 16k stone, that's great. The point is that is not a 16k stone.

Mine is a 16k Grit hone
It doesn't produce scratches just a mirror bevel
I have honed more razors with mine than anyone else in the world using it as a final finish and before the 30k


Now if you want to say some of the newer 16k Shapton GS might have an issue, then fine go for it. The 4k Norton's had issues for a few years

But you have ZERO proof all 16k Shaptons are dual grit, mine doesn't have that issue and it seems Scott's has no issues either, there are quite a few other honers on our FB page and on TSD that have no issues with their 16k either

So there ya go

I bought mine in 2008 or 2009

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Mine is a 16k Grit hone
It doesn't produce scratches just a mirror bevel
I have honed more razors with mine than anyone else in the world using it as a final finish and before the 30k


Now if you want to say some of the newer 16k Shapton GS might have an issue, then fine go for it. The 4k Norton's had issues for a few years

But you have ZERO proof all 16k Shaptons are dual grit, mine doesn't have that issue and it seems Scott's has no issues either, there are quite a few other honers on our FB page and on TSD that have no issues with their 16k either

So there ya go

I bought mine in 2008 or 2009

1)First of all this is not an issue. Many websites had clearly indicated that the 16000 grit stone was mixed grit. So it's not an error that was made on a few stones. When I ''reported'' on this matter a few years back showing that the site dictum.de(a very well respected company in Germany) had included the mixed grit info, the response here was quite comical like '' must be incorrect translation''.
2)Many websites had/have the 16000 at a lower price than the 10000 grit. That's suspicious right?
3)There are high magnification pictures showing the 16k giving coarser scratches than a 8.000 grit stone.

If anybody has a high resolution magnification picture of the bevel when going from lets say a fine(8 to 12k) stone to the 16.000 which shows a better scratch pattern, please post it. I start getting a mirrory finish around 3-4000 grit. If the shapton 16k is mixed grit consisting of 6 to 16k grit, then it is possible that one might get a mirror like finish, BUT when magnified it will also have coarser scratches.

Originally Posted by SharpMan

1)First of all this is not an issue. Many websites had clearly indicated that the 16000 grit stone was mixed grit. So it's not an error that was made on a few stones. When I ''reported'' on this matter a few years back showing that the site dictum.de(a very well respected company in Germany) had included the mixed grit info, the response here was quite comical like '' must be incorrect translation''.
2)Many websites had/have the 16000 at a lower price than the 10000 grit. That's suspicious right?
3)There are high magnification pictures showing the 16k giving coarser scratches than a 8.000 grit stone.

If anybody has a high resolution magnification picture of the bevel when going from lets say a fine(8 to 12k) stone to the 16.000 which shows a better scratch pattern, please post it. I start getting a mirrory finish around 3-4000 grit. If the shapton 16k is mixed grit consisting of 6 to 16k grit, then it is possible that one might get a mirror like finish, BUT when magnified it will also have coarser scratches.

How many Different straight razors have you honed with your 16k Shapton ???
How many Different 16k Shaptons have you tested ???

Please let us know

Originally Posted by SharpMan

1) The 16k stone is not a 16k stone. It's not a matter of overhoning. One pass on the 16k creates scratches way coarser than 16.000 grit. See the video by drmat on youtube.

2)Many websites sell the 10.000 grit stone at a higher price than the 16.000 grit.

3)Quite a few websites have listed that the shapton 16k stone is made of mixed grit. From I think 2000 to 16000 grit particles.

4)The 16k stone is not recommended for razors.
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If people love the 16k stone, that's great. The point is that is not a 16k stone.

Another armchair honer that can only state what they have read when they really don't KNOW what they are talking about.