Thread: Shapton 16k, mixed grit??

Originally Posted by ScottGoodman

Another armchair honer that can only state what they have read when they really don't KNOW what they are talking about.

This is a very strong argument, bravo. Obviously I'm being sarcastic cause it's actually quite a dumb statement. I'll tell you why:
- If not just one, but quite a few websites on the product page of the Shapton 16.000 grit stated that the stone is made of mixed grit, from 6k to 16k, then a consumer should use that information to judge whether to buy or not to buy the stone.
- If the Shapton 16.000 grit is cheaper than the 10.000 grit, clue number 2.
- There have been complaints of quite some users that the Shapton 16k gives coarser scratches and there are pictures that show this very clearly. Pictures on the internet that we can look up ourselves. Even a video by drmatt.

Now the question is not whether I can convince you or you can convince me. I started this because I wanted to inform potential buyers about this stone. Based on the information I have seen(information on the product page of different websellers, a lower price than a lower grit, the feedback from some users and pictures of the edge) I would definitely not recommend this stone.

Shapton glass 8k
https://i0.wp.com/i765.photobucket.c...85-8Kglass.jpg

vs

Shapton glass 16k:


https://i0.wp.com/i765.photobucket.c...0strokes-2.jpg

DrMatts video, from 6:00 the comparison with the naniwa 12k.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn10...nnel=DrMatt357

A razor finished on 0.5 micron compound is already perfect or as I like to call it 9/10 broke.
All that video shows is a "decent" edge at 10 passes being destroyed by overhoning.
Why anyone would do more than 10 strokes on a 16k GS is beyond me.
The scratches in the bevel are cosmetic & irrelevant to the edge or it would have chipped the edge before 10 passes.

That the Naniwa was less destructive shows that it is a softer slower stone. Comparing the 12k Naniwa to something like a gentle coticule would reproduce the results. You could probably do 400 passes on some coticules with no damage where the Naniwa would likely destroy the edge after about 100 passes. Apples & oranges.

Silly thread wasting everyone's time and forum space from a 'member' who last posted in '17 and whose latest post has been 'liked' by another 'member' who has not posted since '17.
Remarkable..

Originally Posted by sharptonn

Silly thread wasting everyone's time and forum space from a 'member' who last posted in '17 and whose latest post has been 'liked' by another 'member' who has not posted since '17.
Remarkable..

I am thinking you are right, I am getting very tired of these "Info Experts" they collected tons of data but have very little hands on experience..
We don't get many here on the forum, there are hundreds on the FB groups...

If I felt this was a credible person, i would gladly swap or evaluate their 16k. All it would take is a few strokes on an unknown 16k and I would know if its a "mixed" grit. Only thing I can think of is that its a bash on a good product, there could be a "skin" on the new stone, or the stone or razor is not clean.

We haven't encountered a troll from "other" sites in a while.

I have honed on 4 other 16k's over the years at the meet ups,,, I wasn't "Testing" them for this issue, as you well know at many of the Meets they break down into honing sessions and general BS'n
If somebody had a Shapton set out and ready to go I would just sit down and start honing, I never noticed any issues, and we were always passing the blades around the table to be inspected under Magnification as we honed,,

Maybe there are issues out there, but this BOLD statement that all of them are mixed grit hones I gotta call BS on or they are basing their opinions off a very small sample size which is irresponsible..

Too ,many people here in this very thread have Shapton 16k's and are calling BS over the last 5 years too..

I have noticed he never answered my direct questions either

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I have honed on 4 other 16k's over the years at the meet ups,,, I wasn't "Testing" them for this issue, as you well know at many of the Meets they break down into honing sessions and general BS'n
If somebody had a Shapton set out and ready to go I would just sit down and start honing, I never noticed any issues, and we were always passing the blades around the table to be inspected under Magnification as we honed,,

Maybe there are issues out there, but this BOLD statement that all of them are mixed grit hones I gotta call BS on or they are basing their opinions off a very small sample size which is irresponsible..

Too ,many people here in this very thread have Shapton 16k's and are calling BS over the last 5 years too..

I have noticed he never answered my direct questions either

Glen,

I suspect but have not a shred of evidence, that the difference is the hardness of the binder, which may vary a little among the grits. I think, and also do not have a shred of evidence, that Shapton really made more than one progression in the same ‘HR’ line based on the binder hardness or other binder characteristics?

At least one vendor is saying that the 16k is mixed, Paul’s Finest in Canada.

Now everyone is making me want a 16k Shapton HR Glass which I have been perfectly happy without …

Originally Posted by SharpMan

This is a very strong argument, bravo. Obviously I'm being sarcastic cause it's actually quite a dumb statement. I'll tell you why:
- If not just one, but quite a few websites on the product page of the Shapton 16.000 grit stated that the stone is made of mixed grit, from 6k to 16k, then a consumer should use that information to judge whether to buy or not to buy the stone.
- If the Shapton 16.000 grit is cheaper than the 10.000 grit, clue number 2.
- There have been complaints of quite some users that the Shapton 16k gives coarser scratches and there are pictures that show this very clearly. Pictures on the internet that we can look up ourselves. Even a video by drmatt.

Now the question is not whether I can convince you or you can convince me. I started this because I wanted to inform potential buyers about this stone. Based on the information I have seen(information on the product page of different websellers, a lower price than a lower grit, the feedback from some users and pictures of the edge) I would definitely not recommend this stone.

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Once again how many SR's have YOU personally honed on your Shapton 16k
How many different Shapton16k hones have YOU tested on SR's




We are awaiting your answer,

It seems you are only giving us other's opinions, have you actually ever used one ???
How was the shave, does it even effect the shave ??

We all know that Coticules leave a VERY scratched finish on the bevel but people swear by the comfort from the edge,,

So what have you found from your extensive testing of SR's edges over the last 5 years since you first opened this thread