Thread: Shapton 16k, mixed grit??

I have honed on 4 other 16k's over the years at the meet ups,,, I wasn't "Testing" them for this issue, as you well know at many of the Meets they break down into honing sessions and general BS'n
If somebody had a Shapton set out and ready to go I would just sit down and start honing, I never noticed any issues, and we were always passing the blades around the table to be inspected under Magnification as we honed,,

Maybe there are issues out there, but this BOLD statement that all of them are mixed grit hones I gotta call BS on or they are basing their opinions off a very small sample size which is irresponsible..

Too ,many people here in this very thread have Shapton 16k's and are calling BS over the last 5 years too..

I have noticed he never answered my direct questions either

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I have honed on 4 other 16k's over the years at the meet ups,,, I wasn't "Testing" them for this issue, as you well know at many of the Meets they break down into honing sessions and general BS'n
If somebody had a Shapton set out and ready to go I would just sit down and start honing, I never noticed any issues, and we were always passing the blades around the table to be inspected under Magnification as we honed,,

Maybe there are issues out there, but this BOLD statement that all of them are mixed grit hones I gotta call BS on or they are basing their opinions off a very small sample size which is irresponsible..

Too ,many people here in this very thread have Shapton 16k's and are calling BS over the last 5 years too..

I have noticed he never answered my direct questions either

Glen,

I suspect but have not a shred of evidence, that the difference is the hardness of the binder, which may vary a little among the grits. I think, and also do not have a shred of evidence, that Shapton really made more than one progression in the same ‘HR’ line based on the binder hardness or other binder characteristics?

At least one vendor is saying that the 16k is mixed, Paul’s Finest in Canada.

Now everyone is making me want a 16k Shapton HR Glass which I have been perfectly happy without …

Originally Posted by Steve56

Glen,

I suspect but have not a shred of evidence, that the difference is the hardness of the binder, which may vary a little among the grits. I think, and also do not have a shred of evidence, that Shapton really made more than one progression in the same ‘HR’ line based on the binder hardness or other binder characteristics?

At least one vendor is saying that the 16k is mixed, Paul’s Finest in Canada.

Now everyone is making me want a 16k Shapton HR Glass which I have been perfectly happy without …

I just saw a response from Howard on a sperate topic mentioning that Shapton, Norton, and SpyderCo, need to be "Cleaned" before use because of something called Mold Chill
Reading about it, reminded me of the Naniwa Super Stones when you had to lap off the top 1/32 to get a suitable honing surface..

Not sure what they are running into, but telling me my 16k is a mixed grit ain't convincing in the least, and you know my feelings of Non SR honers and their advice

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I just saw a response from Howard on a sperate topic mentioning that Shapton, Norton, and SpyderCo, need to be "Cleaned" before use because of something called Mold Chill
Reading about it, reminded me of the Naniwa Super Stones when you had to lap off the top 1/32 to get a suitable honing surface..

Not sure what they are running into, but telling me my 16k is a mixed grit ain't convincing in the least, and you know my feelings of Non SR honers and their advice

Yep, I’ve encounterd a ‘top skin’ , it’s maybe common. I never did Nortons, but it sounds like some Nortons needed more than flattening/deglazing.

Gotta remember Shapton's recommendations are simply that... recommendations.

If we followed them to the letter we'd only have 3 stones to use. Ain't no fun in that

Here’s the proof, maybe we’re all wrong, lol. Email from Shapton Japan to one of our own members, David was actually asking about the Shapton Glass HC 16k and 30k for me! I’ve left his email visible because he is a member here.

Thank you David!

Interesting...

Thanks Steve