Thread: Escher

Originally Posted by JOB15

Maybe my terminology is off.

When I say dull I mean smooth as if the edge is rounded , yet it shaves very close.. This is the desired effect of all my honing..

Granted im an Escher novice but I will learn and I will have a lighter coloured one , if for nothing els so I can compare to my current stone.

Crisp edges to me conjure up thoughts of weepers and a sore face

Interesting, as that's very close to my feelings on an Escher edge, I would describe them as velvet edge, very sharp but never harsh.

And as JimmyHAD pointed out, I go to the Escher only after the Nani 12k and some serious stropping. I just finished honing a new W&B that arrived, going to shave test it in about 10 minutes, just took my SOTD pic, and if it passes the shave test, then I will take it to my Escher for the final touches.

I don't do a shave test off the 8k as advised as I'm new enough to the game that I've never shaved off an 8k edge, so pretty sure it would be somewhat crappy for me, so I just up the shave test to the 12k...if it passes that, then I will take it to the Escher, and I don't mind doing lots and lots of laps on it, and always making sure the last set of laps are feather light strokes. Also, I only ever use just water.

Originally Posted by Phrank

I don't do a shave test off the 8k as advised as I'm new enough to the game that I've never shaved off an 8k edge

In a way you're better off never shaving off of the 8k. Once your honing becomes really proficient, and you shave off of the 8k, you realize that you didn't need any higher grit hones, but you would be fine if the 8k is all that you had !

I thought the Escher was around a 12k. Therefore I was going 10k then Escher.

Maybe I should break out the Shapton's and go from the 16k to the Escher.

I also wanna get that 20k stone, you know, the one that everyone keeps harping on about could i go 20k - Escher??

Cheers

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

In a way you're better off never shaving off of the 8k. Once your honing becomes really proficient, and you shave off of the 8k, you realize that you didn't need any higher grit hones, but you would be fine if the 8k is all that you had !

Shhhhh...

I've got a lot of money invested in those hones.

I'm now of the opinion that it is one of those Mueller hones, in a genuine Escher box.
Hence the same specs as an Escher apart from the sparkles.
It seems to perform or is that just my wondrous synthetic skills?
Anyone got any thoughts on this stone:

EBay number 272618405317
Cheers guys.

Originally Posted by JOB15

I'm now of the opinion that it is one of those Mueller hones, in a genuine Escher box.
Hence the same specs as an Escher apart from the sparkles.
It seems to perform or is that just my wondrous synthetic skills?
Anyone got any thoughts on this stone:

EBay number 272618405317
Cheers guys.

That is Thomas who is selling that stone. A very knowledgeable collector, and I would say an expert on Escher/Thuringan stones. I haven't messaged him in a couple of years, but he was writing a pamphlet on the Escher razor hones. I would trust what he says.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

That is Thomas who is selling that stone. A very knowledgeable collector, and I would say an expert on Escher/Thuringan stones. I haven't messaged him in a couple of years, but he was writing a pamphlet on the Escher razor hones. I would trust what he says.

This guy..............................

I should add that JimmyHAD was only doing me a favour and another person also recommended this guy also.
He obviously has or hopefully HAD a good reputation ..

If the stone was misrepresented and sold to you as something else then lapping shouldn't matter.

Originally Posted by JOB15

I'm now of the opinion that it is one of those Mueller hones, in a genuine Escher box.
Hence the same specs as an Escher apart from the sparkles.
It seems to perform or is that just my wondrous synthetic skills?
Anyone got any thoughts on this stone:

EBay number 272618405317
Cheers guys.

getting a little bit of a laugh here as this auction is from the very same person that Jimmy mentions a few pages back as a seller of Escher stones. Did you not notice that? =P

As an aside, i had a Mueller at one point, and it had some pyrite inclusions in it. i picked out the pyrite, and was able to get edges not so far from my vintage stones. (but not QUIET as good) I think the average honer would not notice. But the average honer probably wouldnt be picking pyrite out of a hone either.

Originally Posted by Magpie

As an aside, i had a Mueller at one point, and it had some pyrite inclusions in it. i picked out the pyrite, and was able to get edges not so far from my vintage stones. (but not QUIET as good) I think the average honer would not notice. But the average honer probably wouldnt be picking pyrite out of a hone either.

Years ago Tony Miller, the strop maker in the USA, used to sell Eschers, coticules, and Thuringans. He sold Muellers for awhile but quit because of the inclusions that were not infrequently in the stones he received.

There was a member on SRP years ago named Russell Baldridge. He did a review, back when SRP had a review section, on the Mueller and his was a really good stone. At that time I bought one (no inclusions) and duplicated his results. I sold it because I had better stones, but it was a decent hone. So if you get one without inclusions it may be worthwhile. As Magpie pointed out above, not as good as a bona fide Escher, but not bad either.