Thread: slurry stones vs surface stones and what is this jnatism?

provoking title with an intention: need help with a few thoughts here.

i am european based, relativly new to sharpening razors. there is a 3 year background on knives. i don t do synthetics because i don t like the feel from them, i don t do jnats because i refuse to believe that japan is the only source of good stones. i respect the knowlegde of stones those guys have, the stone themselves, their tradition aso but we have good stuff in the western hemissphere too.

i read A LOT here and elsewhere and there are some continuous ???? in my head.

i understand the concept of surface stones, tiny bits of whatever the stone is composed of cuts steal from your trusty razor/ knive. concerning this every stone that has steal cutting abilities is via definition a surface stone.

there are softer and harder stones, meaning some do autoslurry some don t, charnleys, arkansas, washitas, certain jnats...blablabla....hard stones < --- > soft stones.

slurry: speeds things up before finishing or on jnats is even used to finish, tomo i believe,whatever that means. according to tomonagura.com the base stone interferes with the slurry stone, creating a new thing.

here are my ????:

1.: it seems to me that no matter how hard/soft a jnat is, it is used with slurry, at least thats what my impression is watching keiths and other videos. there is one video where he explains, that when having a hard bench stone and a softer slurry stone you will end up sharpening mostly due to the slurry stone and vice versa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm3I1cvKZ7k

as allways he says in this vid that there is NO recipe, you have to check it out. as an osteopath i agree, no whatever you read or are beeing told can teach you better then personal hands-on expirience. but in my fields theory play an important role too.
so i wonder why it seems that this slurry thing with a few exceptions like coticules, thuringians aso is not used with classic surface stones:
- translucent arkansas stones: very hard, in theory it seems to be the ideal base for playing with corser to finer slurry (yes i know that the ark has to be well burnished then). in fact in one of his answers to the comments below his vids he says that by doing this you will mess up the edge....i don t get the why??? on that.
- charnley forest
- washitas
- artaunon
- aso

2.: to make it real simple:
i read that you can do the whole progression after/ including bevel setting with a single jnat bench stone using different slurry stones. there is an alien in my head keeping telling me that it is unlogical, that this is a japan only given feature and i would like to know if that alien is on the right side or not.

anyone has some experience/ deeper knowledge in this matter and like to share it? i really would like to read that. like for example using a tam o shanter/dalmore blue/ thuringian/ whatever non jnat slurry on a whatever non jnat bench stone. i m not asking for diamant created slurry, it s about the interaction of 2 stones here. i mean, why havn t i read a comment/ seen a vid about someone lets say using a dalmore slurry on a hard les nateuse coticule aso? doesn t it make sense or is this far of the grid?

i hope i made my ???? clear.

thank you and have a good one