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    I realize this may be subjective but what do you all think is the best progression in terms of grit?

    I currently have the double-sided Naniwa 4k/8k. I was thinking of picking up the 1k as the starter and then the 12k for the finisher with the 4k/8k between the two.

    I figured it's about time I learned how to hone! Thoughts?

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    You will be fully equipped with such a set up, I used that same exact naniwa progression for many years before going the minimalist coticule route .

    The chosera 1k made by naniwa is a great choice for bevel setting and the 12k naniwa is a very good finisher.

    I found a few laps on chromium oxide after that progression also helped take off some harshness and bring up the keeness a few notches.

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    Generally, a 1,4,8, 10 or 12k is a good simple progression that will allow you to do most honing from eBay fixers to touch ups.

    You can finish on Paste or go to a natural from an 8k easily, Slates, Jnat or Ark or film.

    Norton or Naniwia 1k’s are proven performers, but so are the $20 King, so you can spend your money on a finisher where it can really make a difference.

    Chrome Oxide on a good 8k edge is very comfortable, on a 10 or 12k even better. I honed on the Norton 4/8k for years, my combo stone, (now a knife/tool stone is pretty thin.

    You can set a bevel on a 4k and an 8k is plenty for most touch ups, but if you are learning to hone, a $20 King is a no brainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euclid440 View Post
    Generally, a 1,4,8, 10 or 12k is a good simple progression that will allow you to do most honing from eBay fixers to touch ups.

    You can finish on Paste or go to a natural from an 8k easily, Slates, Jnat or Ark or film.

    Norton or Naniwia 1k’s are proven performers, but so are the $20 King, so you can spend your money on a finisher where it can really make a difference.

    Chrome Oxide on a good 8k edge is very comfortable, on a 10 or 12k even better. I honed on the Norton 4/8k for years, my combo stone, (now a knife/tool stone is pretty thin.

    You can set a bevel on a 4k and an 8k is plenty for most touch ups, but if you are learning to hone, a $20 King is a no brainer.
    I'm completely unaware of the $20 Kings, thank you for letting me know about that.

    I tried to learn how to hone years ago just on the 4k/8k followed with a pasted strop then a clean strop and I could never get a comfortable edge. I figured perhaps I should try a progression starting with a 1k and going as high as a 12k.

    Ultimately, I'd love to get into natural stones but I believe I'm getting way ahead of myself.
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    I use a Naniwa progression. 1, 4, 8, 10 or 12, and a natural finisher. Depending on the natural I am going to, I may choose to stop at the 8 or 10. I think going to the 12 and then a natural is sometimes going backwards. Also a lot of blades don’t have as smooth of a feel if you spend a lot of time with a lot of hones over 8K. I did for a while shave off of my Norton 8K and got wonderful shaves. I still bust it out every now and again. You really should feel free to experiment and decide what you like the best. Jumping around a lot can make it complicated. The recommended method I started with was gong to the 8K and hangingvout with it until I was getting all I could from it and then getting another hone and holding there until it was all working. At some point I went on a buying spree and I have several hones that I have never really learned well
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    Quote Originally Posted by RezDog View Post
    I use a Naniwa progression. 1, 4, 8, 10 or 12, and a natural finisher. Depending on the natural I am going to, I may choose to stop at the 8 or 10. I think going to the 12 and then a natural is sometimes going backwards. Also a lot of blades don’t have as smooth of a feel if you spend a lot of time with a lot of hones over 8K. I did for a while shave off of my Norton 8K and got wonderful shaves. I still bust it out every now and again. You really should feel free to experiment and decide what you like the best. Jumping around a lot can make it complicated. The recommended method I started with was gong to the 8K and hangingvout with it until I was getting all I could from it and then getting another hone and holding there until it was all working. At some point I went on a buying spree and I have several hones that I have never really learned well
    Hmm, this makes me want to go back and try my hand at just the 8k. I don't have too many blades that need the bevel set, most are already there. Although I definitely want to learn how to set and bevel and go all the way to shave ready.

    For the most part though, most of my honing needs are just touching up the blade after it starts to fade. I tried doing that with just the 4k/8k and strop and could never get any comfortable shave out of that.
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    If you’re not getting a comfortable shave off the Norton 8k I wouldn’t get a naniwa 12k with the expectation of it considerably improving comfort. A great thing to try is shaving off of each of your stones. I believe it was Glen who originally said to try it. It will also tell you where you not quite getting everything out of the stone before you move on in your progression. It greatly helped me pin point where my problems were in the progression and it turned out to mostly be at the bevel set stage.

    My current progression is a King 1k, naniwa 2-5-8-12. I’ve played with some natural and man made finishers and a crox pasted linen, but I always go back to that progression. It’s not for lack of trying, it’s just that the naniwas are solid performers and consistent.

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    I would stick with it for a while. If you go to a meet, particularly a meet with Glen, because that is who I learned from, you will learn to set a bevel, shave from that 1K edge with a good stropping and then shave from the 8K edge. There are a lot of honing threads, and we can talk about honing a lot, but sitting side by side with someone that knows what they are doing will advance your skill so dramatically faster than sitting at home reading threads, asking questions, and watching videos. It really is not rocket science, but there are a few fundamentals that are really hard to tell you about, but I could show you in minutes. If you have time to go to Denver it would be awesome. Otherwise keep your eyes open and seek out something closer. Even if you drove to Denver and back and included it in your learning time it’s still faster.
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    I think my rationale with respect to the grit progression was that I thought the finer you go, the easier it is to get a shaving edge. I wasn't aware that that is not necessarily the case. I have much learning to do...

    Great point Rez. I've been looking for someone close by to teach me and I think I have found someone recently, just need to reach out to him.

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