Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
I am going to point out something here OK...

Here is the opening premise of the OP.....

I had an interesting conversation with Harrelson Stanley, who many of you may know already(A big time Shapton Dude for those who don't) and he gave me some information on the glass stones I was unaware of. In our conversation, I told him my some concers I had with the 16000 glass stone, and how while it was great on some A2 steels, I thought it was leaving intermitant deep scratches on razors for it's grit.( I also asked him if I won a 30000 for any reason and just got really quiet) I did not ask him because it functionally was not up to task, but that it did leave stray scratches on the bevel, and I did not believe IMHO that it was cause my abilities getting it to it's potential. Here is what he basically told me(after I had once again asked him if he was sure I did not win the 30000) Harrelson said that the 16000 was not recommended for razors as it was indeed designed for modern steels e.g. A2 and others. That the 16000 was too aggressive for the old carbon steels but the progression should leave out the 16000 all together, even if honing up to 30000. He recommended the Japanese version (glass not pro series, nothing to do with pro series at all) of the 8000 was softer and that was a much better option for razors specifically.


Here is the answer of the busiest Honemiester on here

I am so lost here guys.....

I have used the white Shapton Glass Stones from 220 to 30K on about 2,000 old, new, carbon, stainless and damascus razors and they worked fine.

Then you have me who is probably the number two or three busiest, not sure who hones more either me or Don but both of us use Shaptons...
Saying the exact same thing, Hmmmm wonder what Don would say here too????

If you go back and read most of the Shapton honing threads you are going to find a consensus of most people that use them...Almost everyone using Shapton's consider the 16k to be the best stone of the series so the premise goes against everything that the majority of Shapton users has found to be true when honing RAZORS!!!

So do you see where my problem comes from here ?????





Let me explain the point. I only have glass up to 16000 and at that level on razors I voiced a specific concern about stray scratches appearing in the bevel. I know they are acceptable to some degree, but what is the point of refining the bevel to that level and getting grooves running with all you hard work. Yes at that point you guys are still giving a great product, but i was just wondering why, that is when he told Harrelson told me the best progression is Jp8000 then 30000 and that the 16000 is only going to getin the way on carbon steel of razors. I am not suggesting anthying for you to do different as your techniques and feel at each level tell you when the bevel is ready for the next stone.
Mike