Thread: Two Shapton 8000 Glass Options?

Originally Posted by richmondesi

I spoke with Tom with Jende Industries concerning this issue, and he had this to say:

"If anything, I see the JP stones eventually replacing the Pro stones, not the glass, but there are no signs of Shapton making other JP stones right now.

IMO, the glass stones are too aggressive for Japanese plane blades, which seems to be the JP stone's intended market. Overall, the glass stones (white) are better suited for straight razors."

So, it appears to me that the JP stones are between the Pro and Glass but only come in 4k & 8K options. So, considering that there isn't a complete "system" of them, and we know that Shaptons don't play as well with other systems as other hones, it would seem pretty clear what the course of action is.

Just my $.02

I could have saved 99.98 if I listened as much as I talk.
There is an even more important lesson in all of this than my original question. I forked out 100 bucks on a stone from the advice of a person who is not specialised in straights. I blame no one but myself. If you want the best information on what works do not ask someone who has not worked and specialised in straight razors unless you like to give away your money.
I know Lynn and others who are the leaders in the specialty of straights have to be getting a chuckle out of this because they went down this road many years ago. I thank all of you for your patience and understanding and even entertaining a concept that you already knew the answer for. I hope you all don't feel like I wasted your time, but like I said there is an even more valuable lesson here.
Cheers,
Michael

PS Kevin, Thanks for that link, 100 dollars does not sound as bad as 9000JpY

Does this mean: I won a free 16K JPgs

Ya_mashi_ta So-sans website has Jp gstones in full spectrum. He also has JP market Pro. maybe the pro varities are the same.

Ya_mashi_ta So-sans website has Jp gstones in full spectrum. He also has JP market Pro. maybe the pro varities are the same.

Could you post a link of that website?
Thanks!

Japan Tool

Originally Posted by kevint

Does this mean: I won a free 16K JPgs

Ya_mashi_ta So-sans website has Jp gstones in full spectrum. He also has JP market Pro. maybe the pro varities are the same.

Not a chance, Maybe I'll get Tom Nielsen to make me a razor...
M

Intrigued by all of this new information, I contacted Shapton USA.

As we've seen from japan-tool.com in AU, they have the full line of JP glass, obviously formulated for the Japanese/carbon steel chisel and plane blade market.

The info I got from USA is that they will be carrying the 4K, 8K and 16K JP stones for now. I will be looking into more options from them as I am liking the feel of the 8K JP stone right now....

Originally Posted by jendeindustries

Intrigued by all of this new information, I contacted Shapton USA.

As we've seen from japan-tool.com in AU, they have the full line of JP glass, obviously formulated for the Japanese/carbon steel chisel and plane blade market.

The info I got from USA is that they will be carrying the 4K, 8K and 16K JP stones for now. I will be looking into more options from them as I am liking the feel of the 8K JP stone right now....

Tom,
Have you noticed that the 8000 Jp is sooooo nice to the older sheffield blades in comparison with some of the harder steel razors? The bevels look more polished than scratched.
Mike

I sharpened up a Wade and Butcher using the 1,2,&4K white glass, then went to the 8JP, then the 16 &30K white. As I said before, the feel of the 8JP was very similar to the 8pro, which I have always not really liked (feeling-wise, not result-wise), but for some reason, there was something just a little different with the JP that just felt "righter" in this case.

Upon going to the 16K white from the 8JP there was a definite un-uniformity in the feeling that is not there when going from 8K white to 16K white. However, I must agree that 8KJP by itself feels very smooth. I didn't try the 4K JP this time. I now wish I had.... I've still got a few more ebay specials to play with, though.

If the white are specifically for A-2 stainless, and the JP for carbon, then theoretically, we can use both sets for razors - one for stainless, and he JP for carbon - provided it makes a big enough difference. I've written to japan-tool in AU, but he is closed until Sept., so we'll have to wait to see.

The past weeks I've been dying to post on this topic and the scratch marks one. When you combine the two threads together, they make for a very interesting thinking about the approach to razor sharpening. It really got my mind going.....

It's good to be thinking about sharpening again!

Do you look at the beels under magnification? If you can look at the edge and bevel of the 8000Jp and then after the 16000 white and tell me what you see.The 16000 does not refine after the 8000jp. The logical progression would be the 30000 if need or pastes if needed. I shaved of the 8000jp and it was quite remarkable. From me playing with it the Jp 8000 is going to me at it's best for the vintage blades. I have not done enough real hard swedish one to comment yet. The darn thing never get dull. I just did a trio of Challenge blades and they are harder by my accounts and it was good but the stone was not at it's best. It might be this is a 'nitch" stone for the older carbon blades. IMHO it has to be seen to be believed.
Mike