Thread: How to use Coticule.

very interesting thread. I am going to have to read it thorugh a couple more times before I understand what each has done and what is supposed to be tested.

On an unrelated note,

I tried to print the little booklet and it wants me to pay for it. Anyplace to get it with out that annoyance?

Originally Posted by scrapcan

Anyplace to get it with out htat annoyance?

This one?

http://www.anwealde.com/razors/littlebooklet.pdf

at first i should say i was hunting trip that is why unable to post .Now i will answer to your question but please come out clean and say who you are?
your True name.
Person with 24 posts total is a little suspicious to me.

Originally Posted by tok

I think the reason, coticules as barber hones were sold without a slurry stone is because they were used without creating slurry.

[SIZE="5"]good thinking

Let´s assume, that the "old " barbers didn´t buy their razors on Ebay or on a flea market.
Let´s further assume, that the "old" razor companies were able to put a shaveable edge on a razor, or at least an edge, that only needed to be finished.

If these statements are true, the barbers never actually had to hone a razor. All they had to do, was to maintain the edge by touching it up, unless they rounded it by using pasted strops (I am not sure at all, but I think that I´ve read somewhere, that those, who used pasted strops, sended the razors to the companies to let them hone). They just touched up, as soon as the razor got dull, and as we all agree (well, I guess), on a coticule, this is best made without creating slurry.
I´ve read about three or four historical barbers manuals, including the one linked above. Everything I´ve read there, supports this. No one tells something about using a series of hones.

When we hone a razor, starting with bevelsetting, we actually do the work, that is done by the razor makers. So, if we want to find out, how razors were honed yesteryears, looking how the barbers did it, is missing the point. We have to look how they were sharpened in the factory.

This being said, dilucot and unicot don´t claim to be historically correct. They might be as incorrect as lime green acrylic scales

what are you trying to say? why they are incorrect?

or diamond sprays are.

??? we are talking about stones at the moment not pastes

I don´t see, why this should be a bad thing.

This is the problem i am having it.
You don't see this is a bad thing? To misguide people is not bad thing? when new guy cannot use stone and fault is not his but stones. he has not quality stone but to blame new guy is good thing for You? in your mind it is a good idea to blame the new guy instead of stone? Do you think it is a good to give false methods to new guy and when new guy doesn't get the results what he is looking for gets blamed for it?He doesn't know how to hone etc because he is new?
This is the issue i am having it. i am not the new guy and i know how stone should act. i have tested methods you mention and they will not differ from regular sharpening. methods are time wasting and tool for blame the new person.That is all. Stone will give to you its best in regular honing method. i have tested both. if you have crappy stone then i am sorry doesn't matter what do you do you won't get anywhere.

@ hi_bud_gl:

How would you recommend to work on a coticule, when I´m setting the bevel on it, too? Using heavy slurry, until I worked out the bevel, then rinse off the slurry and starting on plain water, using a little pressure, then finishing with no pressure, without rinsing the hone in between?

This is all you have to do nothing else ,except take pressure out you don't need to use pressure while you sharpen straight razor except bevel setting stage.

And, may I ask if you´ve tried the unicot or dilucot method? (If yes, what are your thoughts about them?)

I answered already useless. no differences from regular way using coticule.

Regards,
tok

have fun

Originally Posted by scrapcan

On an unrelated note,

I tried to print the little booklet and it wants me to pay for it. Anyplace to get it with out htat annoyance?

Just close the box that is asking for money, the book will come up, atleast it did for me, although it did keep freezing up. It took me a few tries to get through the whole thing.

Scrapcan the post just after yours can be saved in your PDF reader as soon as you open the link to it:

http://www.anwealde.com/razors/littlebooklet.pdf

There's always a way

TOK

Those questions are all answered further back in this thread at least by page 3 I believe. Sham also answered those questions on Belgian Coticule of which your a member so if you check over there there is a recent thread with the same info.

Originally Posted by Gunner777

Scrapcan the post just after yours can be saved in your PDF reader as soon as you open the link to it:

http://www.anwealde.com/razors/littlebooklet.pdf

There's always a way

I couldn't help notice that sperm is recommended on page 15 as a substitute for slurry. My girlfriend already believes that I spend too much time with my hones, so I hesitate to guess what her reaction might be to trying this method. Any advice?

Not sold any more is sperm oil from the Sperm Whale. If I hadn't grown up in New England where whaling was big business back in time I would have to be a little taken by that myself.

Thanks guys for the link. I had a devil of the time with the original link, but the other one you guys graciously offered did the trick.

As for the Sperm Whale oil, it is one of the best light oils that I have found. We used it on delicate instrument bearings ( think of clock mechanism type instruments) and it is the best. It does not collect dust like alot of the synthetics and it can be used very sparingly. We have a small dropper that is maybe 1 ounce and two of us have used it for the past 11 years. I wish I had more as I would use it for other stuff also.

I did a quick test with my Droescher pink coticule tonight on an old carbon razor using water only. I set the bevel on a dmt 1200 quickly and then went straight to the coticule with water, the water did turn black easily. I am not sure if I had autoslurry or not because of the dim lighting in the room I was using but I did wet the hone only when it began to dry a bit.

I haven't shaved yet but the razor is slicing through arm hair at mid level without pulling.

When I tried this on my "newer" coticule from the perfect edge, la nouvelle vein, the result wasn't nearly as promising...matter of fact the razor was dull.