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    Which J-Nats in your progression after the 3k DChef ? Or do you just have one super fast finisher ?
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    Congratulations! I hope the stone works out better and better for you.

    And you are right Alex is a gentleman to deal with and has some amazing stones in his inventory.

    I have been working with my Narutaki which was his number 127. I feel like I can and want to get to the point where it will be all I will use for my personal razors. The rest of my hones can look after my restorations. I have specifically
    been using a Japanese 777 and the smaller Kanayama razor Jim R. made available to the lucky few who got there early.

    I am getting it but not the results I want as yet. I raise just a touch of slurry
    with a 1k diamond plate and work from there to just pure distilled water. Everything feels right but I am getting edges that are just brutally sharp, admittedly not following with a strop because I think ultimately I can get a perfect blade with hone only. First try raised blood seeping across my cheek so I took a step back with that blade and used CrOx balsa and horsehide. next attempt looks and feel more promising but I am stropping on horsehide. Under a 30 loupe I see a perfectly smooth edge, almost zero striations but a uniform non-reflective finish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lz6 View Post
    Congratulations! I hope the stone works out better and better for you.

    And you are right Alex is a gentleman to deal with and has some amazing stones in his inventory.

    I have been working with my Narutaki which was his number 127. I feel like I can and want to get to the point where it will be all I will use for my personal razors. The rest of my hones can look after my restorations. I have specifically
    been using a Japanese 777 and the smaller Kanayama razor Jim R. made available to the lucky few who got there early.

    I am getting it but not the results I want as yet. I raise just a touch of slurry
    with a 1k diamond plate and work from there to just pure distilled water. Everything feels right but I am getting edges that are just brutally sharp, admittedly not following with a strop because I think ultimately I can get a perfect blade with hone only. First try raised blood seeping across my cheek so I took a step back with that blade and used CrOx balsa and horsehide. next attempt looks and feel more promising but I am stropping on horsehide. Under a 30 loupe I see a perfectly smooth edge, almost zero striations but a uniform non-reflective finish.
    I have 5 different slurry/nagura stones that I experimented with. Heavy slurry, light slurry, just water, and just keeping it barely wet. After honing a bunch of razors in varying degrees of sharpness (or dullness), I can see how after you get to know your stone, it could possibly be the only hone you need use. The stone cut quickly using a Kiita slurry and not too much water. Other slurry stones and a little more water produced different results. It was really very interesting. I quit honing after 3 hours when my back started hurting.... but tomorrow is another day

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    Quote Originally Posted by onimaru55 View Post
    Which J-Nats in your progression after the 3k DChef ? Or do you just have one super fast finisher ?
    I use an Ohira Tomae as a pre finisher (8-10k) and my Nakayama Asagi as final finish. I've shaved off the stone a couple times (forgot to strop getting camera ready ) and the shave was not objectionable, after stropping it was great

    My regular maintenance now is just these two stones, about every 3 or 4 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyHAD View Post
    You guys are killing me with this J-nat stuff.
    You and me both, my friend!

    Beautiful purchase Zomax, enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lz6 View Post
    .........
    I am getting it but not the results I want as yet. I raise just a touch of slurry
    with a 1k diamond plate and work from there to just pure distilled water. Everything feels right but I am getting edges that are just brutally sharp, ..........
    Try raising quite a bit of slurry and don't dilute. As Bart has brought out about Coticules in the past slurry tends to let the edge go to just a point then stop getting keener. Try that with your stone and see what you get. I find that if you have a very fine hone that the amount of slurry tends to bring the keenness under control. Me, personally, I like a blade that give a weeper once in a while, that's just me though. I use to shave off 0.1 micron diamond film though.


    OPer.. Very nice stone, you will learn to love it. The velvety feel, the smell, and the way that it almost teaches you how you should hone. Very unique feeling.

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    Very nice!! I,m jelious

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    {"Per.. Very nice stone, you will learn to love it. The velvety feel, the smell, and the way that it almost teaches you how you should hone. Very unique feeling."}

    Richard,
    You are so right.........

    As a follow-up to my "I Love My New JNat" post.... now that I've had it about a week and tried honing some really tough blades, I see the stones limitations. It tells me by feel and feedback what it will and won't do. I now know that I will need a harder stone too. As well as this stone cuts and as good as it feels, it is a little too soft to be the finisher that I want. I will go for another ... maybe an N.asagi or something like it.

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    Nice, glad you like it!

    I love mine, its my favourite finisher for sure and always puts a great edge on a razor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zomax View Post
    I now know that I will need a harder stone too. As well as this stone cuts and as good as it feels, it is a little too soft to be the finisher that I want. I will go for another ... maybe an N.asagi or something like it.
    ~Steve

    Interesting you say the stone is a little soft for a finisher. The pink coloration is often an indicator of a softer J-nat.
    If you want a hard stone you should be able to request such from your seller. It does not have to be asagi to be hard.
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