Thread: Franz Swaty hone, Austrian

I was just reading this morning where Glen (gssixgun), had honed 4 razors, same make and model for a guy and with different methods, and shipped them to him for his own evalutaion. It was an interesting read and I believe that people can discern something like comfort. And comfort is the name of the game.

Originally Posted by Utopian

First, continually drawing analogies with audio cable is pointless in a discussion about hones, honing, and shaving.

Second, maybe you don't think that the differences between the edges of different hones matters, but a lot of the participants in this section of this forum do in fact care about that difference. We experiment with different hones out of more than just a desire for the "best," but also just for a chance to make comparisons and to learn from them. It matters to us.

Finally, not all of the differences are hype. That is the only reason why I mentioned the differences in visible scratch patterns.

Matthew 7:6

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Matthew 7:6

So logic and science are not relevant here? Good to know I guess.

Originally Posted by PonderingTurtle

So logic and science are not relevant here? Good to know I guess.

Well a literary quote is as good as a comparison with speaker cable AFAIC. When people who have been honing razors for years, with many different rocks, say there is a difference between the results depending on which rock is used, I would give them the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps yours is a more inquiring mind.

That wonderful read was here: http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...aving-fun.html

Logic and science confirm the best cuts are the "cleanest" lines on the instrument that is doing the cutting, and I'm talking in microns. I have flinknapped agate, jasper, obsidian and other rocks and I can tell you both from feel and from scientific reports done with electron scanning microscopes that the edge of an stone flake, like obsidian, is extremely smooth and consistent to even some of the finest scaples. It makes a razro blade edge look like a saw blade in comparison and the rock chips cut so cleanly that the have been used in micro surgeries. The ancestors had a great thing with stone knives, and those flakes were deadly used in some of the throwing instrumest because they cut blood vessels so cleanly. Now sharp is sharp, but smooth & sharp is allowing the edge to move into the hair and decrease drag in the cutting of the hairs, or, whiskers.

I, for one, believe in sharp (tiny edges) with smooth shoulders for the instrument to do it's best.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Well a literary quote is as good as a comparison with speaker cable AFAIC. When people who have been honing razors for years, with many different rocks, say there is a difference between the results depending on which rock is used, I would give them the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps yours is a more inquiring mind.

And I know enough about confirmation bias and the kinds of failures in perception and thinking that everyone is subject to, that I am skeptical of claims made with out proper data.

For example look into Dr. Nicolas Gonzalez he has an alternative treatment for pancreatic cancer than upon proper testing at best does nothing to lengthen patient lives and only lowers their quality of living. Of course this actual data did nothing to discourage people from seeking his treatment or for him to provide it.

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He is a doctor he knows what he is doing right?

Or how about all the doctors who deny that HIV causes AIDS? They are doctors after all they went to school for years and have practiced medicine for many years as well, they must know what they are doing right?

Do what you want to do, but your reasoning and rational is very weak. The thing is that these same poor reasoning abilities do kill people, and while here all you might be doing is wasting your money.

Originally Posted by PonderingTurtle

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Or how about all the doctors who deny that HIV causes AIDS? They are doctors after all they went to school for years and have practiced medicine for many years as well, they must know what they are doing right?

Do what you want to do, but your reasoning and rational is very weak. The thing is that these same poor reasoning abilities do kill people, and while here all you might be doing is wasting your money.

I know little or nothing about doctors or medicine. I do know a little bit about honing and shaving with straight razors. One thing I've learned is the way an edge honed on an Escher feels on my skin and it feels better than one honed on a barber hone. I know, from my own experience that a Swaty works well to touch up a razor that I find not as sharp as I'd like it to be while I'm shaving.

I didn't read this in a book or on a forum but found these things out as a result of hands on honing and shaving. I don't need any blind testing to confirm the results beyond my own personal experience. I won't draw any more analogies nor argue the point any further. (refer back to the literary quote in my previous post) Enjoy your shave however you decide to hone your razor.

I got in the Franz Swaty stone today, nice shape, nice and flat. Also, along with it was an Emerald Pike. Very nice flat stone, but defenitely emerald green. Anyone ever heard of them?

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I know little or nothing about doctors or medicine. I do know a little bit about honing and shaving with straight razors. One thing I've learned is the way an edge honed on an Escher feels on my skin and it feels better than one honed on a barber hone. I know, from my own experience that a Swaty works well to touch up a razor that I find not as sharp as I'd like it to be while I'm shaving.

I didn't read this in a book or on a forum but found these things out as a result of hands on honing and shaving. I don't need any blind testing to confirm the results beyond my own personal experience. I won't draw any more analogies nor argue the point any further. (refer back to the literary quote in my previous post) Enjoy your shave however you decide to hone your razor.

And people know a $100 bottle of wine tastes better, and can be shown to have a different experiance with FMRI studies than the same wine in a $10 bottle. Your perceptions are no better than the audiophiles ears when they hear a difference between a $1000 power cable and a $5 power cable or the wine drinkers taste when told different prices for the same wine.

People are great at convincing themselves of what they want to believe. You might be right, but you don't have good convincing evidence. What you don't have is any good evidential basis for your belief.

Back on track of the OP, me, the Franz Swaty might be alright as a touch up stone, but that would be about the limit of it's use? What about the Pike Emerald Green stone I also got in this deal? It is about the same size as the Swaty, but says "Emerald" on it and it defenitely is green. Are both the Swaty and Pike used with water? They both have some minor chips around the edge of the hones in places, should I pay them no heed or do I need to do someting about rounding the edges a bit?