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03-12-2011, 04:59 PM #1
Norton 220/1k, 4k/8k, C12
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03-12-2011, 05:06 PM #2
Having a Chinese 12 K you don't really need a coticule nor a BBW. Coticule is estiamated at10-12 K, the BBW at 4-6 K. If tis all in the srp wiki: Belgian Hones - Straight Razor Place Wiki
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr.
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03-12-2011, 05:06 PM #3
Hi!
I think that comparing the synthetic and natural stones are not quite correct ...
With regard to grain size:
BBW - approximately 4000 Grit;
Coticule - 6000 -8000
Data from the site Ardennes Coticule - natural sharpening stones from Vielsalm Belgium.
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Alexander
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03-12-2011, 05:47 PM #4
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Thanked: 26If you just "want" a Coti, I would suggest something that is rated as a good finisher, something hard and slow, as you have all the rest in good order.
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03-12-2011, 06:04 PM #5
Fierce30rus, Ardennes Coticule may not use the same grit standard or just measured the grit in their own way. A lot of experienced members have compared these stones to well known synthetics and I would put more trust in their estimations.
I agree with Kees that you don't need a Coticule. If you do get one it may shorten the time required on the Guangxi or be fine enough to replace it.
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jcsixx (03-12-2011)
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03-12-2011, 06:20 PM #6
Thanks for your responses fellas. It has been informative and helpful. okay, so since the coti may be near/equal to the C12...Would it be a wiser use of funds to just go towards the higher grit Shapton hones such as a 16k or even a 30k?
30k's are pricey...as are a lot of the natural stones. What makes them worth it? Wouldn't the ultimate goal be to move towards the sharpest, smoothest shave? Is it really just a matter of preference?
Do the Japanese stones move to a higher grit than the Belgium stones?
For those of you with experience...would you prefer your cotis or the higher grit like a 30k? I have heard that the 16k can be "harsh."
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03-12-2011, 06:41 PM #7
So I did some reading on the wiki. I have a better understanding now of the different stones. I think that a escher/charnley forest that is above the 12k may be my next step.
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03-12-2011, 06:43 PM #8
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Thanked: 13234Why do I get the impression that you are talking about "ADDING" these finishers instead of replacing finishers..
The PHIG is a Finisher
Most Select Grade Coticules are finishers
A Shapton 16k and 30k is another system (these don't play well with other systems IME)
the Naniwa 12k is another
so are the Eschers, Japanese, Thuringens and Charnleys..
Also one thing you need to test and make sure of is that you are first off getting the most out of the Norton set before even moving to any finisher... Try honing and shaving a few razors just using the Norton's and Linen/Leather if that isn't comfortable and smooth then more finishers are not going to help all that much anyway....
Now I realize that some people feel they are getting some "UberComboFinish" by combining these things but I personally I haven't found that to be the case... I would very slowly work through one finisher until you have maxed that out, then move to another and do the same there.... You will tend to gravitate to the one that feels the best on your face, with your razors... JMHO
PHIG = Peoples Hone of Indeterminate Grit ie: the Chinese 12k that we actually have no clue what grit it really isLast edited by gssixgun; 03-12-2011 at 06:52 PM.
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03-12-2011, 06:57 PM #9
For finishers I go straight from my naniwa 10k to my CrO strop. I just don't see spending the extra $ when CrO strop does the job.
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03-12-2011, 07:41 PM #10
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Thanked: 26Many times I feel there is too much emphasis on "naming " the git as opposed to what it does. If it's .000001K or a bazillion K does it matter as long as it is providing what you want from it. Is a C12K really 12K? Who cares if its a good finisher. The grit system doesn't really apply to natural stones, but the "act" like a certain man made grit. I see nothing wrong with calling a C12K a 12K, nor would I have a problem calling a translucent ark a 12-16K or an Escher a 12-16K. It is how they cut and a reference only. If you want another finisher, a Coti, or thuri, or jnat or any of a dozen stones will fit the bill. If you are looking to replace the C12K and want a better edge, I would practice more. You will get a better edge off of a lower grit stone with superb technique than you will get off of a higher grit stone, natural or man made with poor technique.