Thread: Naniwa 12K after a Coticule, to improve edges that are good but not great?

Gary
if you could explain
1. why you are going to naniwa after the coticule?
what is the reason?
Sharpness? smoothness? or anything else?
2. Why again after naniwa you are returning to Coticule?
This is just doesn't make a sense to me?

if coticule is not fine enough i could understand to go to Naniwa after use of coticule to get sharper edge?
Then question comes up why do you return to coticule again? In case it is not fine enough stone?
Your Edge will get dulled again?
Lets say it is fine stone which will put the smooth edge to the blade.
In this case why you are going to 12 k or 10k Naniwa? NO reason for it?
Just confusing or i miss your point.

Originally Posted by gary haywood

I'm a big fan of coticule edges, as most of you guys no. i still like using paste and the odd differant hone. i will work and work on my coticule to get there. Some times latley i have thought the same as ryan . time and laps . i have a 10k naniwa . Now lets say i hone a razor on coticule and i'm not quite where i want to be colse but not close enough, to my standard. i do another 50 laps on coticule and there is not enough improvemant, then anothe 100 laps for example. still the same . 10 to 20 laps on 10k or 12k naniwa will get me there. then 30 on coticule will give me coti edge . So my answer to your post is yes the 10 or 12k naniwa will do the job very well as in between or last hone in my experiance and save time. a good progression would be coti dilucot , then finish on 10 or 12k naniwa folowed by paste or coti or just as it is at the final hone . Te reason i posted to this is i have been doing just that and it does work .

gary

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

Gary
if you could explain
1. why you are going to naniwa after the coticule?
what is the reason?
Sharpness? smoothness? or anything else?
2. Why again after naniwa you are returning to Coticule?
This is just doesn't make a sense to me?

if coticule is not fine enough i could understand to go to Naniwa after use of coticule to get sharper edge?
Then question comes up why do you return to coticule again? In case it is not fine enough stone?
Your Edge will get dulled again?
Lets say it is fine stone which will put the smooth edge to the blade.
In this case why you are going to 12 k or 10k Naniwa? NO reason for it?
Just confusing or i miss your point.

Because he likes the results he gets with it? Just a guess. It's an interesting idea.

Gary, do you find that the edge retains the keenness of the naniwa but gains the smoothness of the coticule? This is an interesting idea, I wish I had a naniwa to try it out on!

Originally Posted by Jimbo7

Because he likes the results he gets with it? Just a guess. It's an interesting idea.

Gary, do you find that the edge retains the keenness of the naniwa but gains the smoothness of the coticule? This is an interesting idea, I wish I had a naniwa to try it out on!

thats the idea, i have found just that , all though its good to honethe razor using dilucot, test shave then add 10 laps on naniwa 10 or 12 k. test and shave another 10 laps and compare. then do 10 to 30 laps on coti with water , and test save again. see what you like. you can always do another 10 lap s on naniwa . i like the coti edge thats why i do it, its not often but its handy to have the naniwa. raspur hones using a similar method. he comes of slurry straight on to naniwa 10k and does quite a thew laps to finish then bio paste if he needs. watch his video.

i new some one would question me. my answer is . lets just say i 'm struggling to get that las bit of keeness out of my coticule. which i don't mind admitting. in most cases i have no problem. To save time i find a thew laps on my naniwa 10k work s on getting that last bit of keness, and the razor shaves with the keeness i want and takes less time . in some cases i have found the razor to be sharper but quite as smooth as i'd like so i then finish on coti with 20 to 30 laps on water. this edge feels nicer on my skin, also i like the idea of a natural finish. the keeness is still there and the smoothness is as nice if not nicer for me.

I'm sure i read some where that you tryed the naniwas and also liked them. I', sure you said you finished at 10k naniwa and then used a natural finisher after wards, as you said you like natural finisher.

using coticule after a 8k norton never dulled the edge infact it gave a real nice finish and a sharp edge , ts the same for me after the 10k naniwa , i just do most of the wrk on a coticule then 10k if i feel it will hep save time by going to higher grit manmade. just somthing i have tryed and i found it worked for me with out the need to use paste

cheers gary

Thank you Gary for your explanation.

Originally Posted by gary haywood

i new some one would question me. my answer is . lets just say i 'm struggling to get that las bit of keeness out of my coticule. which i don't mind admitting. in most cases i have no problem. To save time i find a thew laps on my naniwa 10k work s on getting that last bit of keness, and the razor shaves with the keeness i want and takes less time . in some cases i have found the razor to be sharper but quite as smooth as i'd like so i then finish on coti with 20 to 30 laps on water. this edge feels nicer on my skin, also i like the idea of a natural finish. the keeness is still there and the smoothness is as nice if not nicer for me.

I'm sure i read some where that you tryed the naniwas and also liked them. I', sure you said you finished at 10k naniwa and then used a natural finisher after wards, as you said you like natural finisher.

using coticule after a 8k norton never dulled the edge infact it gave a real nice finish and a sharp edge , ts the same for me after the 10k naniwa , i just do most of the wrk on a coticule then 10k if i feel it will hep save time by going to higher grit manmade. just somthing i have tryed and i found it worked for me with out the need to use paste

cheers gary

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

Thank you Gary for your explanation.

i try my best to explain, sham i no for a fact you can hone a razor and very well at that as i have tryed your edges, i would say they are defanatley top honed edges with out a shadow of dout i would say apart from bart one of the best i have shaved with , apart from my own, only joking!

i like most guys have acumalted a lot of honing gear and i try and use it if i can . its a hobby to me and i enjoy the differant results i get . what works for one person may not another , i'll always give somthing ago. I only have a 10k naniwa i just orderd a 12k naniwa.

cheers gary

Soooooo let me see if I read this right...

If you hone the razor to "shave ready sharpness" then use a finisher you get a really nice smooth shave????

Wow who would have thunk it???

Yes that was me being sarcastic

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Soooooo let me see if I read this right...

If you hone the razor to "shave ready sharpness" then use a finisher you get a really nice smooth shave????

Wow who would have thunk it???

Yes that was me being sarcastic

To my knowledge both the naniwa 10 and 12k as well as the coticule are considered finishers. Maybe our wiki is incorrect on that point. Not having used the naniwa line, I can only go from what I read.

"Shapton GS 16k-30k; Shapton 15k; Naniwa SS 10k-12k or Chosera 10k; Thuringians (including Eschers); various natural Japanese finishers; Charnley Forest; extra fine Coticules; some Arkansas hones"

I think Gary (please don't let me put words in your mouth, Gary) was talking about one finisher imparting a smoothness on top of a keenness acquired from the other finisher. Do you guys think the naniwa 10/12k is more of a sharpening stone than a finisher?

Actually the key words in my post are the same as some of us (Lynn, myself sham) have been espousing for years now...

"shave ready sharpness"

The grit at which you get there is in your hands, for some of us that is at 8k for some 10k and for others even higher.. This is something that every experienced honer says at one point or another, but no one listens.. If you can't shave comfortably at the 8k level with the synthetics a finisher is a waste of money...

So going from a "shave ready sharpness" point to a natural finisher is the same principle no matter what the grit is at...
That might be a 8k for you or a 10k or a 12k or even higher

Get it shaving your face comfortably, then use a finisher (regardless of type)