Thread: llyn idwal or charlie forrest?

Hey guys,

I have two stones here, one is is definitely a llyn idwal and the other im guessing is a charnley forrest.

One is a brown\grey and the other is a blue\grey so can anyone tell me what is what and confirm these stones?

Stones wet

Stones Dry

I may be wrong....it's happened before.

But neither of those look like a Charnley to me. I do have limited experience, but from what I've read and seen, Charnlies can have those characteristic deep red splotches or streaks, OR they can be totally green...almost like the green on an old copper roof...a dull clover green.

Again, I said I'm probably wrong....

I'll be back to check out what the other's say, who have more experience with them.....

I may not have a CF there, I'm only throwing it out there as i know the idwal stones and the CF stones get confused some times... And there is a lot of confusion with these two stones lol

I guess the second stone could be called a green\grey too, not blue. What ever the color is, its only has a hint mixed with the grey. I have another stone the same as the second that i can post if that helps..? Or add more confusion hehe

I purchased the brown\grey one off eBay as an Idwal but i was told that the blue\green\grey (ish) stone is an Idwal on SRP a few months ago but others at the time said it could be a CF.

In this photo stone 2 and 3 are of the same type

None of the stones look like a Charnley Forest. The pics are too small to identify them properly, some close-ups would help. Grecian hones are a possibility too.

neither looks like CF to me too.
Better pics for sure will help.

Originally Posted by mainaman

neither looks like CF to me too.
Better pics for sure will help.

Here are some close ups in the same order. (remember stone 2 and 3 are of the same type)



I'm open to ideas, all i know is, all three seem to be confused as idwal hones but there are definitely two type here and of those two one type is most likely an idwal

And I thought this thread was about Charnleys vs idwals for honing Are the 2nd and 3rd stones fine like a charnley? If the answer is yes, the name doesn't matter, they are great finishing hones. All three could be idwal stones, if you are not sure, check if the 2 others are as hard (or fine, or the feeling of the razor on the hone while honing) as the first.

Originally Posted by Vasilis

And I thought this thread was about Charnleys vs idwals for honing Are the 2nd and 3rd stones fine like a charnley? If the answer is yes, the name doesn't matter, they are great finishing hones. All three could be idwal stones, if you are not sure, check if the 2 others are as hard (or fine, or the feeling of the razor on the hone while honing) as the first.

I set the name for attention I didn't mean to spell charnley wrong though, ah well

There are defiantly two type, all three aren't idwal stone, all are finishing stone and remove next to no metal, all produce a white milky slurry with a dmt, and on all when the slurry dries its like talc powder

So, are they finer? Softer? Have you shaved after honing on them, how are they compared to the idwal? The middle one looks like a slate type, not like the idwals, but I guess I'm wrong.

They all produce an edge 16k+ and i can pass a HHT from all 3

They are very very close to each other in feel, no.1 has some small cracks through it and is a little more slate like then the others, 2 and 3 have no cracks or signs of cracking (they are very uniform) They are very hard stones but not Arkansas hard. The hardness is somewhere in the middle of a translucent Arkansas and a thuringen

To show that stone 2 and 3 are of the same type here is another photo. ( 2 and 3 are reversed in this photo, sorry)



I know none of them are likely to be CF as there is no red but if they aren't i still need names, what stone would most likely be the idwal out of the three? and then what is the other stone(s)?