Thread: Best Jnat Kombination

i have a ask.....i have a wonderfoul Nakayama Kita with all stamps. it is a Genius. before I take Naniwas. what kind of Jnats I can take for the Nakayama?
I think so 1000, 3000 5000 8000 Grit before. do you have tips? perhaps from Japanenaturalstone? And what is Typ 100? what is the Grit?

Well, you could add more JNats as a way to build a natural progression.
The other option, as I prefer and use, is to use your Kiita with a Nagura progression.
After an intial bevel set, in my case on a Chosera or Shapton 1K, I use a Botan, Mejiro, Tenjou and Tomo-Nagura progression all the way up to shave-readiness.

I'm not sure I understand what your asking. I too have a Nakayama Kiita, It's a wonderful stone. On the soft side, not good for Nagura progression. As of late, I've been using my Ozuku and/or Shoubudani Asagi with the Nagura progression. Botan, Tenjou, Mejiro, Koma, and for Tomonagura, I use a small piece of Kiita. Then, the final lapps are done by using an Atoma 1200, diluting to water. This gives me some of the best shaving edges. I tend to favor the Shoubudani over the Ozuku, This is just personal preference.

My Ozuku is one the hardest out there, and it took quite a bit of tweaking to get it right. It's a great finisher in it's own right. Different from the Shoubudani.

As Birnado mentioned, I too use the Chosera 1k to set my bevel if needed.

thank you, I sharpen knives with a lot of japaniischen method. But there are knives that do not.
which are sharply with the Naniwasystem. So Naniwa 1-3-5-8-10 k and Nakayama.

Originally Posted by strawinski

thank you, I sharpen knives with a lot of japaniischen method. But there are knives that do not.
which are sharply with the Naniwasystem. So Naniwa 1-3-5-8-10 k and Nakayama.

It depends on the Nakayama but yes that progression would be a good start..

I normally use just the 1-3-8 then my Nakayama but I am very comfortable with getting to full shave ready at the 8k level, many other people take it up another step to the 10k or the 12k before switching to the Natural finisher

I am discussing straight razor edges here and I am not positive you are also,,, If you are really talking Knives like Kitchen knives then I don't have any idea

You will have to experiment to find optimal Jnat progression that does not include naguras.
IMO/IME most efficient way to go is, synthetic progression up to 10k, then Mejiro nagura and tomonagura on your Nakayama.

Originally Posted by Birnando

Well, you could add more JNats as a way to build a natural progression.
The other option, as I prefer and use, is to use your Kiita with a Nagura progression.
After an intial bevel set, in my case on a Chosera or Shapton 1K, I use a Botan, Mejiro, Tenjou and Tomo-Nagura progression all the way up to shave-readiness.

+1...This is the honing method that I have been using for some time and my Naniwa's have seen very little action lately. The Nagura process is much 'slower' when counted in time spent honing BUT...the edges are WONDERFUL! If you enjoy honing as a past time as I do...and NOT as an occupation...I highly recommend the 'one-stone' Nagura Progression method.

It's my understanding that a Type 100 stone is a size, and that it does not relate to hardness or fine-ness. It appears to be a way to get a less expensive stone that still has good qualities. I might be wrong - but that's my impression.
Nagura on an Awase is a nice process to work with, so is using other Jnats before finishing. Authentic Asano-Stamped nagura are not always easy to get though - and it's been rumoured that there are counterfeits being sold. I've not seen that myself, but I do believe those claims. Not all Nagura needs to be stamped though - there are excellent Chu and non-stamped Nagura for sale in a few places. I've had good suceess with them, but I do pay close attention to them to be sure there are no issues.
Aoto can be used for the early to middle stages. Tsushima Black can be used for later middle stages.
There are a lot of options really - those are two I had experience with. I had an Amakusa also, a good stone but it was tricky to use in that is wasn't consistent enough for my tastes.
Once the bevel is set - a good mid-range stone can probably get you up to the finishing stage, but a progression of two stones that compliment each other might make the process more enjoyable. Depends on the stones in question to be honest. There are no rules or formulas here - the joy is in the process/journey. If you start with one stone, you can figure out the next step easily enough.