Well thats good news i havent found one in Aus before ,thanks to all the posters for your input looks like ive been very lucky this time.It is a bit of a thrill to start lapping a hone to discover something beautifull under all the muck built up over years .The WOA is a great little hone as well i finished of a razor last night on it with just water nice feedback and it came up a treat polished like a mirror i will shave with it tomorrow looking forwad to it.Cheers.