Thread: Jnat ??? help ID

Hello everybody, I got a couple of hones, both on the fine side with a scratch pattern finer than king-6k
The first one is for sure a Jnat, please help me to identify name, type, quarry?, etc.

The second one I don't know anything and would at least understand if it's western or jap and more if possible.
Here are the photos dry, wet and slurry:

Thanks everybody for looking and advicing.