Thread: tape and hones.

What is hone wear? I think I know, but I am not 100% sure.

Is it wear on the razor or the wear on the hone?

For as much as some hones sell for, I can see why one might be concerned about wear to the hone.

Jody

I believe "hone wear" refers to the wear on the spine of the razor caused by honing without taping the spine. Even if you tape the spine the hone will need to flattened occasionally because it will wear regardless.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

I believe "hone wear" refers to the wear on the spine of the razor caused by honing without taping the spine. Even if you tape the spine the hone will need to flattened occasionally because it will wear regardless.

Bob

Aren't that spine wear?

I think the main problem with the terminology is that some folks are using it differently than others. To me at least, hone wear is wear to the grinding/honing apparatus, wear to the razor is spine wear. (When it is wear on the spine, obviously).

Bougth a 60-100x magnifier now. Bit to strong, but all I found. Funny to use

Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider

Hi Ed,
I used one layer of tape to home that frameback, and I'd recommend you do the same. You may notice the frame is a little thin in parts; esp at the toe end. EVEN if the tape DOES clog hones (and I don't think it does; at least not that a couple of passes with a lapping stone or cleaning stone wouldn't sort) a hone can be replaced, that frameback can't.

Can I ask how far you are taking back the honing? I would highly suggest 20 laps on a Shapton 16k is really all it should need; I wouldn't think you'd need much more.

The Swedish steel is much harder than some; normally to refresh my edges i do 10 laps on the Shapton, but on my Swedish razors I do 20. I guess in a way this means more spine wear is possible.

Sure if you got all 'basic' you wouldn't use tape, but why wear the frame if you don't have to?

You'll also notice that razor has a very thin bevel, which seems common to framebacks. If you DON'T use tape, you'll need to re-set the bevel, otherwise you're just polishing the edges of my bevel, not making an edge.

Hope you don't mind me acting like a recently estranged mother...

It's my baby now carl. no heavy honing, I am using a stone around 10k, and using maybe 10 strokes, don't worry Carl I'll treat her right. And after some research, I think I COULD make a new frame for it but it wouldn't necessarily look quite right. To be honest that was one of the things that had me in two minds about it, you know, once the frame gets too much wear it'll be knackered, but I am really enjoying using it now, I think 3 weeks exclusively it's moving up from 1.5 to 1 if you know what I mean Carl.

All the info you might want to search is right here on SRP... I have done quite a bit of research into Tape myself over the years because of the many "Facts" people post. I suggest you take the time and actually test the theories yourself..
You will actually find a link in the thread I linked where we measured many razors, to test the claims of bevel angle and what they were designed for...
People took the time to test the spine vs the blade on some of the older razor for hardness differences, you should take a look at those conclusions too

But the best is to take your razors and your hones and take out the calipers and rulers, take careful measurements and add to the data base with real life facts

http://straightrazorpalace.com/advan...-theories.html

Originally Posted by eKretz

I think the main problem with the terminology is that some folks are using it differently than others. To me at least, hone wear is wear to the grinding/honing apparatus, wear to the razor is spine wear. (When it is wear on the spine, obviously).

Yea, that is exactly what is happening. To me I have always heard the expression that a razor shows a "excessive of hone wear" which indicates to me that the spine of the razor has been worn down over the years by the act of honing. OTH you can't worry about wearing a hone down you just keep it flat as possible and when it wears out you get another and start the cycle over again.

Bob

Originally Posted by edhewitt

It's my baby now carl. no heavy honing, I am using a stone around 10k, and using maybe 10 strokes, don't worry Carl I'll treat her right. And after some research, I think I COULD make a new frame for it but it wouldn't necessarily look quite right. To be honest that was one of the things that had me in two minds about it, you know, once the frame gets too much wear it'll be knackered, but I am really enjoying using it now, I think 3 weeks exclusively it's moving up from 1.5 to 1 if you know what I mean Carl.

No probs at all. I think the info you've received about hone wear (spine wear, the terms may be used interchangeably) is essentially correct.
Do what you will but I'd still recommend tape, I can never see a reason NOT to tape, and I'd use a higher grit hone if you can get one.

Originally Posted by Einar

Aren't that spine wear?

No. Aren't is plural and spine is singular, therefore the question is incorrect.

Spine wear refers to excessive wear from honing. In my experience it results from a blade that is not quite right. If you have a good blade that sits squarely on a hone, then spine wear is minimal, consequently excessive or uneven spine wear suggests a problem blade.