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    Hello everyone,

    I am learning to restore my antique straight razors, and I am trying to learn how to hone. I've watched just about every honing video on youtube. I picked up a new Nortan hone with a 4000 and 8000 grit, and have already fattened each side. I have a razor that has a little nick, but I can't get it out. I started out trying to set the bevel...I think that is what it is called on the 4000 side first, and it started to look good and sharp but still see a little of the nick. I thought maybe I should go on to the 8000 side, but still didn't take it out. The razor is sharp now and does cut hair even with that little ding. It is very very small, but I can still see it in the right light. Do I flatten the blade and then hone it? I have an old Packwood that has a good side ding in it and now I don't know if I just hone it for a long time or I grind the edge down and then hone?

    I know it is just my first time and it will take me some time do learn, but anyone have any tips? Oh, also I put two layers of electrical tape on the spine to help give the razor and edge.

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    You simply need more time on the 4K side.
    A 4000 grit stone will be slow, not much metal removed on it.
    Keep at it
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    Thank you Birnando!

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    A 1k would really help with chips, but you can do it with a 4k

    If you can make a slurry on the 4k side, you will speed up the process. slowly dilute it to all water before moving to 8k.
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    Regarding the razor with the larger ding, you can either 'breadknife' the blade until it is flat and then set a new bevel, or continue honing the blade until the chip has been removed. You'll get varying opinions on which course of action to take - more so, you'll need a courser hone than 4k, should you wish to breadknife. I find a cheap diamond hone to work well and it also doubles to allow lapping of waterstone hones. You can hone out large chips but it will not be a quick process, although slurry will help to speed it up. A photo would help to give better advice but if the chip is larger than 1mm, my personal course of action would be to breadknife and then set a new bevel.

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    You can use 1k sandpaper on a piece of flat glass to rough in the bevel. It will create scratches that will need to be removed with the 4k. It will save you some time. I am not advocating 1k sandpaper to replace a 1k stone now. I would prefer you get one(a 1k stone) but if its not doable this may save you some time.
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    I'll try and get a picture up later today, and thank you Christel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christel View Post
    Regarding the razor with the larger ding, you can either 'breadknife' the blade until it is flat and then set a new bevel, or continue honing the blade until the chip has been removed. You'll get varying opinions on which course of action to take - more so, you'll need a courser hone than 4k, should you wish to breadknife. I find a cheap diamond hone to work well and it also doubles to allow lapping of waterstone hones. You can hone out large chips but it will not be a quick process, although slurry will help to speed it up. A photo would help to give better advice but if the chip is larger than 1mm, my personal course of action would be to breadknife and then set a new bevel.
    If you consider doing the dreaded bread knife I would suggest watching Gssixgun's video on the subject. I will try to grab the link for it. I learned a lot from it and really sped up the process cause; the bread knife part is easy... Resetting the bevel quickly is not!

    Here is the link http://youtu.be/btrOjC0S2gM
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    aa1192 that is a great video and I got sucked into watching it again (I wonder if Glen knows how charismatic he is???)

    True bread knifing like that is extreme, I did one once when I was starting out and it took me several hours to reset the bevel on my 5K Naniwa.
    (I insisted on not using lower grit stones on a razor until I had my strokes committed to muscle memory, don't ask I am weird like that.)

    A slightly raised spine approach is usually good enough to deal with chips and issues and leaves the blade edge in a condition that can be brought back much more efficiently from my experience.

    If anyone would like a more detailed explanation let me know, it is not a new technique but I cannot recall a detailed video on it.

    There is a short section of a video from the Asheville meet where Randydance touches on it as well.
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    Woah, woah, woah! (waving arms frantically!)

    Halt! Halt! Attempt no shave. Make sure you get rid of that chip. Get a King 1K and really set the bevel(meaninig fast and with no doubt). You can get there with the Norton 4K, I'm just not sure how long it will take you to get there. It depends on the chip.

    Also, are you looking at the blade under magnification??
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