Thread: Can't get the edge to a point

Alright guys, just an update. I stuck with the soft ark and worked on the edge for a while. It seemed to put a tiny/thin bevel on the edge, still not cutting hair though. I tried the permanent marker test and it seems that when I lay the razor flat on the stone it doesn't hit the edge of the blade. It seems to hit a bit higher. To remove the marker I need to lift the spine about 5-10 degrees off the stone. Any ideas on what my next move should be?

It may be that someone has done a bevel set with a large amount of tape if there is clearance between the edge and the stone, either that or... When was the last time you lapped the stone? Before I start honing a razor I lay it on a flat piece of glass or a granite slab that I use for wet/dry lapping. The reason I do that is to get an idea of what I will have to deal with on a stone, if the razor has a problem I want to know ahead of time. I always lap my hones prior to doing any razor work to ensure that I have as flat a work surface as I can get but I never use the hone as a "straight edge" for the razor, that is what the glass is for.

Could you post a couple of photos of the blade including a head on one of the blade to see what the grind is like?

Bob

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...bing-over.html

Read rule #1...

1. Learn to walk away, if a razor has you stumped, learn to walk away, set that razor aside, and move to the next one, or get up and go do something else.. Sitting there Grinding on a razor normally achieves nothing good.. I have read posts where people are putting in more then 1 hour on one hone, that is just too long...

Now after grinding on that thing for hours you have finally decided to seek help, after you wiped away all the clues that might have been on the razor to help us help you.. Now we have an entirely new set of issues that you have introduced to the spine and edge...

Hint #1 - Set this razor aside until you have much more experience

Hint #2 because you won't listen to #1 Put 3 layers of tape on it and do the MM test and see what happens, that will help mask the spine wear at least

Simple fact, now you have to learn to hone around the errors, or what we call "Honing Gymnastics"

Originally Posted by gssixgun

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...bing-over.html

Read rule #1...

1. Learn to walk away, if a razor has you stumped, learn to walk away, set that razor aside, and move to the next one, or get up and go do something else.. Sitting there Grinding on a razor normally achieves nothing good.. I have read posts where people are putting in more then 1 hour on one hone, that is just too long...

Now after grinding on that thing for hours you have finally decided to seek help, after you wiped away all the clues that might have been on the razor to help us help you.. Now we have an entirely new set of issues that you have introduced to the spine and edge...

Hint #1 - Set this razor aside until you have much more experience

Hint #2 because you won't listen to #1 Put 3 layers of tape on it and do the MM test and see what happens, that will help mask the spine wear at least

Simple fact, now you have to learn to hone around the errors, or what we call "Honing Gymnastics"

Great advice. I get up and walk a lot, that's how I get my exercise. There are several rasors in my stash right now that I am waiting to go back to but until I am ready I move on to another razor. It sounds like I give up on a lot of razors but to be honest, the troubled ones are fewer and farther between now.

Listen to the man.

Stop… load up your stones and razors and bring them to the So. Cal Summer meet, Sunday, August 17, 2014.

Seriously, you are doing irreparable damage to what may be mint razors. While it may be possible to hone a razor with your stones, you need to learn how to use them and there are much better alternatives for the novice.

And use tape so you at least do not ruin the spine and the edge.

The first thing is learning how to set a bevel and know when the bevel is set. Until the bevel is set nothing else matters.

Welcome to the forum. As you have found… it is not as easy as it looks, hands on coaching will dramatically increase your learning curve. Sounds like you may have some nice razors, it would be a shame to ruin them.

Post some pics of all your razors and stones.

The link for the Summer meet is here.

Originally Posted by Euclid440

Stop… load up your stones and razors and bring them to the So. Cal Summer meet, Sunday, August 17, 2014.


The link for the Summer meet is here.

That is really the best advice, the one on one at the meets will give you more help then months or even years of forum time, plus they are pretty fun too

Originally Posted by Euclid440

Listen to the man.

Stop… load up your stones and razors and bring them to the So. Cal Summer meet, Sunday, August 17, 2014.

Seriously, you are doing irreparable damage to what may be mint razors. While it may be possible to hone a razor with your stones, you need to learn how to use them and there are much better alternatives for the novice.

And use tape so you at least do not ruin the spine and the edge.

The first thing is learning how to set a bevel and know when the bevel is set. Until the bevel is set nothing else matters.

Welcome to the forum. As you have found… it is not as easy as it looks, hands on coaching will dramatically increase your learning curve. Sounds like you may have some nice razors, it would be a shame to ruin them.

Post some pics of all your razors and stones.

The link for the Summer meet is here.

Will definitely try and make this. Just hoping I don't have work... thanks for the info

Originally Posted by gssixgun

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...bing-over.html

Read rule #1...

1. Learn to walk away, if a razor has you stumped, learn to walk away, set that razor aside, and move to the next one, or get up and go do something else.. Sitting there Grinding on a razor normally achieves nothing good.. I have read posts where people are putting in more then 1 hour on one hone, that is just too long...

Now after grinding on that thing for hours you have finally decided to seek help, after you wiped away all the clues that might have been on the razor to help us help you.. Now we have an entirely new set of issues that you have introduced to the spine and edge...

Hint #1 - Set this razor aside until you have much more experience

Hint #2 because you won't listen to #1 Put 3 layers of tape on it and do the MM test and see what happens, that will help mask the spine wear at least

Simple fact, now you have to learn to hone around the errors, or what we call "Honing Gymnastics"

Will do. It wasn't in the best shape to begin with, just hoping I didnt make it worse.. But since yesterday I have set it aside. I tried the MM test with 3 layers but it hits above the edge. There is the thinnest line right along the edge that is not being hit. Right now all i can ask for is advice, although, this time I will read everyones tips and use them down the road when I have much more experience. Just going to stick to my other razors for now

For those asking for pictures of the grind and my stones.. here ya go.

Here you can see some of the spine wear from the previous owner, pretty even though


If I'm correct I think this would be wither a half or quarter hollow grind. it may look like the spine is uneven, but I was holding it tilted on accident


The stones from left to right are.. combination course/fine india stone ( don't really use because it eats razors for breakfast) a combination soft/hark arkansas, and a surgical black arkansas. All stones are brand new and measure 6x2x1/2