Thread: Uneven spine wear causing problems setting bevel

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Sorry Scott, I didn't see where you say the type/brand of water stone

I got it on amazon.ca http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B005...ilpage_o02_s00 I was in a pinch so I just grabbed it for the 1 day shipping. I soak it for about 10 minutes and then use a squirt bottle and it still seems like it is just drinking my water. Euclid440 I use the bottle more so then not. (It needs it) I actually got that razor from a mentor and friend on here. He was nice enough to give it to me to start on something better then a GD. It's an honour to use it, besides being broke and in college I can't afford to buy anything else.

Some stones are just water hogs. I have a King 1k that gobbles it up compared to my Nani. Why are you wanting a swarf build up? What stones are you using? I have some rocks collecting dust I might be able to send ya.

I am using only the one I linked for a bevel setter and a pretty small coticule to finish the process. Not ideal but it works for the most part.

Originally Posted by aa1192

I have a King 1k that gobbles it up compared to my Nani.

Concur. While the Nanis get a 1-3 minutes dip, the King 1k can stand in water for a while and still come out with a wicked thirst. Never did have problems building up a swarf though. Albeit, on the King, it may be a dried up swarf if going to long without water.

Hey Scott - I was going to apologize for inflicting a wonky bevel on you, but since it seems to have worked out I'll claim to have done that as an intentional learning opportunity. *Very* happy to see it has worked out for you.

As for thirsty stones, my Norton 1K could sit in water all day and still soak up everything I spray on it after. Just the nature of the beast with some stones - particularly lower grit bevel setters (in my relatively limited experience at least).

A trick for a king is to use spray laquer on the backside of the stone and soak it 30 min prior to use. I have even laquered part of the side of my king (I use it for knives) and it has helped drastically!

Originally Posted by Cangooner

Hey Scott - I was going to apologize for inflicting a wonky bevel on you, but since it seems to have worked out I'll claim to have done that as an intentional learning opportunity. *Very* happy to see it has worked out for you.

As for thirsty stones, my Norton 1K could sit in water all day and still soak up everything I spray on it after. Just the nature of the beast with some stones - particularly lower grit bevel setters (in my relatively limited experience at least).

Almost anything can be fixed with enough time, patience and guidance. I am having trouble getting it to shave ready though. Using the rolling x vs the regular x stroke. I have brought it down to bevel twice now... I was going to make a new thread but anyone reading this can throw in their advice. I have a coti and bbw as my other two stones (combo) It seems when i follow the unicot with a straight edge everything goes smoothly but when i use a rolling x stroke i can't seem to get it to shave ready. Quite frustrating but alas i am working on it again while my girlfriend sleeps. she has to work in the morning but I'm going to make this night #3 of trying to get this thing shaving using a rolling x stroke. It is throwing me off of my normal progression. Hmmm.

Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

Almost anything can be fixed with enough time, patience and guidance. I am having trouble getting it to shave ready though. Using the rolling x vs the regular x stroke. I have brought it down to bevel twice now... I was going to make a new thread but anyone reading this can throw in their advice. I have a coti and bbw as my other two stones (combo) It seems when i follow the unicot with a straight edge everything goes smoothly but when i use a rolling x stroke i can't seem to get it to shave ready. Quite frustrating but alas i am working on it again while my girlfriend sleeps. she has to work in the morning but I'm going to make this night #3 of trying to get this thing shaving using a rolling x stroke. It is throwing me off of my normal progression. Hmmm.

Well, it was honed with a rolling X and one layer of tape in the past, so I'm sure you'll get there!

The best thing I've found with frustrating edges is to set it down, walk away, and clear the mind before picking it back up again. That helps keep the touch light, the mind focused, and the blood pressure down. I'm afraid I can't offer any advice particular to the unicot method or anything else coticule-related as I have yet to try one. But as has been said many times before, the tough work has to be done before you move from your 1K to the coti. Getting that bevel right is key, and that should be done on the 1K.

Hopefully someone more experienced will chime in with coti advice, but for now I'd say try not to even think about moving on to it until you're satisfied that the whole bevel has been set properly. Until that has been achieved, moving on to any other stone will just be making your life difficult.

Originally Posted by Cangooner

Well, it was honed with a rolling X and one layer of tape in the past, so I'm sure you'll get there!

The best thing I've found with frustrating edges is to set it down, walk away, and clear the mind before picking it back up again. That helps keep the touch light, the mind focused, and the blood pressure down. I'm afraid I can't offer any advice particular to the unicot method or anything else coticule-related as I have yet to try one. But as has been said many times before, the tough work has to be done before you move from your 1K to the coti. Getting that bevel right is key, and that should be done on the 1K.

Hopefully someone more experienced will chime in with coti advice, but for now I'd say try not to even think about moving on to it until you're satisfied that the whole bevel has been set properly. Until that has been achieved, moving on to any other stone will just be making your life difficult.

Thats the thing is the bevel has been set very well. The razor will not however pass the hanging hair test :s It feels very sharp but just isn't getting there.

Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

Thats the thing is the bevel has been set very well. The razor will not however pass the hanging hair test :s It feels very sharp but just isn't getting there.

Have you tried a shave test? HHT is only a useful guide if it's been calibrated, etc., and for some folks (and this includes myself) it seems to be completely useless! It works great for some, but not for all and I never use it. Glen has a shave test video out there somewhere. I'll find a link...

EDIT: here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93zQP7CToWQ