Thread: escher rubbing stone

Originally Posted by izlat

Not in my (limited) experience. 1st - it was easy to clean the oil. Second, it worked very well on my hone. Third, Eschers were once sold with instructions to use either water or oil on the label. Fourth, um - this about covers it on my end. Anyone else might contribute additional info - which I'll appreciate

Can't argue with you on the first two points here because we don't do much hanging out together, but I'll respectfully disagree on the third point, at least until you prove me wrong. All the labelled Eschers/Thuringens I've seen say to keep it away from oil, as shown on this pic taken from the Escher currently being warred over on the 'Bay, which read "Be particular to keep them free from oil and grease."
I know, I know- it's not the best example I could have come up with, but it's currently the only one....

Originally Posted by Sweeney Todd

Can't argue with you on the first two points here because we don't do much hanging out together, but I'll respectfully disagree on the third point, at least until you prove me wrong. All the labelled Eschers/Thuringens I've seen say to keep it away from oil, as shown on this pic taken from the Escher currently being warred over on the 'Bay, which read "Be particular to keep them free from oil and grease."
I know, I know- it's not the best example I could have come up with, but it's currently the only one....

Let me start by saying that I don't mean to sound didactic

However, I said: "...Eschers were once sold with instructions to use either water or oil on the label..."

I don't see how the fact that "all the labelled Eschers..." you have seen say to keep it away from oil disproves what I said - that once some of them had instructions to use either water or oil. You cannot possibly claim that since you haven't seen it, it's not true?

I have seen it. Don't happen to have one with such a label, so cannot "prove" it. PM Tony Miller, he'll confirm he's seen the water or oil label. Others too, I believe...

Anyway, I was just posting in hopes to improve general understanding

Cheers
Ivo

<<< PM Tony Miller, he'll confirm he's seen the water or oil label.>>>

Okay, I've seen every Escher ever quarried and none say oil <g>.

Just kidding and felt like stirring the pot a little after a few relaxing days away!

I do recall seeing oil as a choice but no longer have any labled stones in my collection. The NOS Thuringens I had all said keep oil and grease away though.

If you have seen it I believe you.

Tony

Originally Posted by Tony Miller

<<< PM Tony Miller, he'll confirm he's seen the water or oil label.>>>

Okay, I seen every Escher ever quarried and none say oil <g>.

Just kidding and felty like stirring the pot a little after a few relaxing days away!

I do recall seeing oil as a choice but no longer have any labled stones in my collection. The NOS Thuringens I had all said keep oil and grease away though.

If you have seen it I believe you.

Tony

LOL, I just remembered once you said you have seen it too...

Cheers
Ivo

As I understand it you can use either water or oil on any knife or razor hone, but once you start using oil there is no going back to water.
As for me, I use nothing but water on any of my stones!!

Originally Posted by JMS

As I understand it you can use either water or oil on any knife or razor hone, but once you start using oil there is no going back to water.
As for me, I use nothing but water on any of my stones!!

Mark,

I can only say I did use oil on my Escher, then I cleaned it and have been using water lately. I get nice smooth edges either way.

Again, my experience is limited, so it is possible that my results would have been better if I had stuck to oil.

However, I think this "once you use oil you can't use water" attitude might have something to do with the... who else but the Rabbis They are averse to using oil, and I think if oil has been used on a stone they refuse to use it thereafter, even if cleaned. Howard had mentioned something like this in his kosher Coticule official explanation

Cheers
Ivo

Originally Posted by izlat

Mark,

I can only say I did use oil on my Escher, then I cleaned it and have been using water lately. I get nice smooth edges either way.

Again, my experience is limited, so it is possible that my results would have been better if I had stuck to oil.

However, I think this "once you use oil you can't use water" attitude might have something to do with the... who else but the Rabbis They are averse to using oil, and I think if oil has been used on a stone they refuse to use it thereafter, even if cleaned. Howard had mentioned something like this in his kosher Coticule official explanation

Cheers
Ivo

Quite honestly I am only speaking from what I have been told, not first hand experience.
Now that you mention it, that makes a lot of sense!!

The Rabbis don't like oil because it might contain an animal product in it that may not be Kosher.

I don't think the "keep free from oil and grease" label that appears on some of the Thuringens/Eschers were put there for the benefit of the rabbis, who probably made up a rather small percentage of people buying these stones when they were initially put on the market. I could certainly see them saying an oiled stone loses it's kosher status because of their strict rules on that subject. Didn't somebody once post something about a stone being re-koshered, if you will, by burying it for a while?

While I've managed to find repeated warnings against using oil on a waterstone on the 'net, I hit a dead-end when trying to find a definitive reason why. Some sources say oil reduces the stones ability to form a proper slurry, some say it eventually renders the stone useless and most don't bother offering any reason at all.

I wasn't doubting you Ivo. I'd seen the no-oil rule a number of times and thought it would benefit people referencing the thread in the future to know there are opposing views on what is or isn't safe for the stones.