Thread: honing progression with pictures and extra details!!!

Originally Posted by Euclid440

What is the grit of the Nagura, and did you wash it completely off the stone? If the grit of the Nagura is not 15k (Doubt it is) you will lower the grit and smoothness to the lowest grit on the stone, and you don’t need the Nagura, if you are lapping properly. What are you lapping with?

It only takes a few minutes to grid and re-lap the stone and eliminate that as a potential problem.

A good alternative is the 12k Super Stone, it has a long history of proven performance. Yes you can mix stones as long as the progression is correct.

Some razors prefer different stones, especially finishers

I dunno what the grit on the nagura stone is it came with my kitayama 8k I'm lapping with an Atoma 400 I use the nagura just to smooth out the scratches that happen from the lapping...m

I'll look into the super stone it just sucks that I just paid $116 on this 15k stone...

Originally Posted by Steel

How are the shaves? 8k VS 15k? Does the 15k shave worse than coming off the 8k?

I havent tried to shave with the 8k stone only the 15k... And I got no irritation from that or anything

Originally Posted by Hirlau

I enjoy your enthusiasm and think you for taking the time to post the pics,,,,,

Thanks lol, I just want to get this honing down so I can start up with the buffers and greaseless next.... Then onto making custom scales

Originally Posted by Dafonz6987

I agree and now I'm seriesly contemplating changing up my stones I'm using... From the looks of it I don't have any issues from 1-8k so I could keep those and maybe just get a new finishing stone? Is it okay to switch up brands on stones? What would u recommend, I would like a 15k plus

Honestly I have to agree with Marty

The Naniwa SS 12k is the one I recommend the most now as a solid finisher that performs well across the board, the price is right and it is hard to beat at any price...

There are many good finishers out there but the Naniwa 12k is a no nonsense straight forward performer...

In fact the Naniwa 1-3-8-12 is what I have been recommending for quite some time now as a goto set the 1k can be the Professional if you plan on Restoration or many E-babies

Fonz,

You are welcome to come over and try my 12k Naniwa to see how you like it.

Came across this and it has to do with the shapton 16k causing microchips with more than 10 laps. https://jendeindustries.wordpress.co...g-controversy/

Thank you for that article great read! Never knew about micro beveles looks like I'm going to be up later than previously anticipated lol

First, Sham is saying the same thing as Glen in that some razors cannot take an edge from some fine synthetic stones, the same problem occurs with the SG20k on some razors.

But there are few things wrong with the conclusions in that article and blaming the stone. And the edge he ended up with does not look any better than the edge he had with the first 16K edge.

Diamonds used to profile a bevel can generally lead to chipping, as can aggressive stones used bevel set (the 325) unless some steel is removed from the edge. From the look of the bevel, neither of those stones were needed a good 1k or the 2k could easily have re-set the bevel.

And more importantly, the heavy Diamond and 325K stria was never removed from the bevel. You can easily see from all the photos, deep, Diamond and 325 stria, leading to a chip at the edge.

So while I do believe Sham and Glen are correct that some razors cannot take too many laps on high grit synthetics, this tutorial does not document that conclusively, way too many other variables to blame the stone.

A micro-bevel, with the 16k, may have produced better results than a full secondary bevel.

BTW that is not a micro bevel, it is a secondary bevel.

A micro bevel … is micro (small) bevel, at the edge, made with just a few laps on the finish stone, by increasing the angle with an additional layer of tape.

Fonz came over today and I purposely tried to over hone (in excess of 100 laps) a Joseph Elliot "The Hamburg Ring" on his Shapton ceramic 15k. I got none of the chipping that is in the pictures. I was viewing with 100x. Seemed as good as my Naniwa 12k. Just did a shave test. The shave was very close, I'm waiting to see if there is any post shave irritation