ok so i tried on 2 new razors taking it to a 1k chosara for 3 hours total and i can't get it to set a bevel i tried all the techniques out there. light pressure and from pressure. what else is there to do
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ok so i tried on 2 new razors taking it to a 1k chosara for 3 hours total and i can't get it to set a bevel i tried all the techniques out there. light pressure and from pressure. what else is there to do
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Sorry to hear that you are having problems.
Your opening post is a bit too general to give you any specific advice.
But,,,
I suggest that you step away from the hones for a short while; then take some photos of your razors,,, list your hones for us & tell us about your "method/technique" that you have been using. This allows us a better understanding of your situation.
Add more information to your "profile" about where you are; that way someone close to you may be able to give you some hands on training in the future.
You may have "tried all the techniques out there" but its apparent you need some help understanding them.
I'm doing the lynn abrams circle method followed by x patterns. heres some pics of the razorsAttachment 250909Attachment 250909Attachment 250910Attachment 250911Attachment 250912Attachment 250912Attachment 250913
Was that one of your new razors?
yes its new
Oh my,,,,,
Please, a moment of silence for that Boker ,,,,,,
Okay,,, look at the photo below, the red arrow area shows the area we never go with the stone, that's the razor's shoulder/stabilizer area. You have been honing on it.
The blue line is the area that touches the stone.
Regardless of what method you use, you must stop honing the area shown by the red arrow.
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Tape is reall important for beginners.
what is the reason the bevel will not move up i had it close to a bevel at one point but it will not go any further. what else is there to do. i also tried honing another razor it is also new and it s the same thing
Whew. I don't know how to put this, but I feel a blunt answer is best. You have over honed that razor, more so than I've ever seen. There are likely some serious geometry issues now.
Your best bet is to send that one off to a professional, and the other if it looks anything like that. The chosera is a very fast cutting stone. 3 hours of bevel setting was about 2 hours and 55 minutes too much. Second step, find someone local to you that can show you the right way to set bevels.
I don't recommend putting any more new razors to the stones until you know what you're doing. Buy a cheap used one that doesn't have a lot of wear to start practicing on.
the first 5 minutes i tried it wound not tug on the tnt and it would not cut hair
The best thing I could say is to please stop honing razors, especially new ones, till you can get ahold of a member near you for some one on one instruction on honing. I don't think Hirlau was kidding about a moment of silence for that Boker.
Bob
more bluntness, cause I,m not the most subtle guy here. how long have you been straight razor shaving? you need to back up and take Lynns advise about one step at a time, learn to lather, learn to shave , learn to strop, learn to refresh, then learn to hone,, till you can shave you wont have a clue about what the edge is supposed to be like, as evident by how much steel you have removed. fine razor got abused, send it out and get it fixed then go slow, and put your location in your profile instead of hiding, there is more than likely someone close who can help you.
never know you might be close to me, and as critical as I am I am also one who will help Tc
You are "Chasing the Edge" ie: the spine and the edge are being worn away at a rate that never allows for the bevel to be set..
As the edge gets close you are grinding away on the spine which changes the angle on the edge and you losing the bevel again as it is worn away
There are so many errors on this razor I do not know where to start ,,
I am not even sure 3 layers of tape will bring that back into form
For other newb honers reading this
There is an expression "When you find yourself in a hole , Stop digging" this also applies to honing
If you keep doing the same thing and making no headway stop honing, grinding away steel is never a good thing, it might sometimes be needed, but is never a good thing :(
i got another one that has less are on it a lot less. should i begin the lynn abraham method
Have these razors been shaving for you in the past ???
no its a new razor
my friend, what you are doing is not honing,, what is your experience with honing razors? again if you don't even shave with them your fighting an uphill battle. and yes what Glen said you aint even close to Lynns method, cause he don't ever do that to a razor. its your money , so go ahead and keep wrecking them, but the smart thing to do would be send a razor out that you haven't destroyed, or grow a beard . there are plenty of guys out there who can hone one for you till you get an idea. Tc
No,,,,,
Choosing a "method" is not the issue at this point. Spend more time in our library section above and learn how the razor applies itself to the stone.
Take a break from the stones; a day or two until you understand the mechanics of honing better. We have all been in a situation similar when we first started.
Well no sense in continued talking over spilled milk
You have no business honing razors yet, especially without tape..
Send me the best out of the two and I will attempt to get in shaving for you,,, Honing is on me,,shipping is on you but I cannot promise miracles nor can I put steel back on a razor :(
Fire me a PM if you want to take me up on the offer..
so when getting to a wire edge and it does not tug or pull on the tnt or cut hair what does that mean
Take Glenn's aka gssixguns offer and send it to him. Gotta get me one of them chosera 1k, that would have taken 6 hours on my king...
It means the bevel is not set. You have been applying way to much pressure on the spine and thus the results you are seeing.
If you want to learn honing, find a member close to you to go get some one on one lessons. Get a cheap beater razor to practice with so you do not wreck your nice future razors. Get some razors pro honed to have something to shave with while you are learning.
Wow that is a lot of hone wear:) Glen is a great guy, you need to take him up on the offer because he is one of only a handful of people that can get that razor possibly shaving!
Welcome to the forum by the way! You should check out the beginner section, we were all starting out at one time and this is a friendly group that will help you out.
I'd chime in but the OP wouldn't like what I'd have to say or he'd just ignore any council I'd have to offer.
Let's just say that I bang my head every time I read things like this.
Hey welcome to the forum.
I'd firstly like to say that people on this forum love razors, The negative comments are a reflection of that. You have made a few serious mistakes but that should not stop you in the future. That king cutter needs to be send out if you want it to shave, Gssixgun really is your man for this and if any of us can make it shave it will be him.
Secondly don't give up on learning to hone. It's a process, and a learned skill. You pretty much always kill a razor or two when you start if you don't have a mentor to slap your hands. Go out and buy some cheap Chinese gold dollar razors. With those you can abuse them till you can make an edge work.
The process is simple, you check all of them for geometry. A little marker pen on the edge and just a few very light passes on the stone to see where is been abraded. You then ink up again and continue. If you work like this you will get to a stage fairly quickly where all of the pen on the edge is been removed at that point if you check the edge you will find it set, and you can start to move up the grits.
To any newb who wants to practice honing the cheap way: start with a worn vintage razor from ebay or any other fleamarket.
I say practice on new razors, the vintage ones are special ;)
Guci31 if you want to learn how to hone you will need some help. Tell us what city you live in and we can try to connect you with someone that can help you.
Guci, don't feel too bad about this and don't beat yourself up. It's obvious that you are eager to learn, but you need a mentor to guide you. They can prevent you from hours of frustration, and more importantly, wasting money on razors. I have some skills in metal working, but before I attempted to hone a razor, I'd watched MANY hours of videos, and read all I could here on SRP. I'd already learned to straight shave too. Honing should be the final skill you learn with the straight razor.
I've honed my own razors for over 40 years. In all that time I've had one razor that was a problem. After inking the spine and edge I made a couple of test passes on my bevel setter and realized it was beyond my capabilities. I held my head up and sent it to a pro. It came back to me with a perfect edge. Please take Glen's kind offer.......there's absolutely no shame in having a pro do it.
So, to answer your questions, the stabilizer is keeping the edge, at the heel half of the razor, off the stone, (looks like you were also on the tang), you are not using tape to protect the spine and using way too much pressure, grinding the spine lowering the bevel angle and not allowing the bevels to meet. (Look at John’s post #6 and photo)
The goal of razor honing is to not raise a burr, unlike knife honing. The heel now needs to be repaired/reshaped due to excessive grinding.
The first 3 post in the Honing Forum are packed full of honing information.
Kind of late in the game, but I'm moving this thread from 'hones' to honing forum.
Please put the the hones down and try and find someone local who knows how to hone razors (not knives, very different process) to help you. You've honed that to the point it looks like a 100 year old barber worn razor. It should take less than 10 mins to set a bevel on a new razor with a Chosera 1k unless there are very serious geometry or steel issues with the razor.
Take up Glenn's offer to try and hone that razor
At this point one may also wonder about the current condition of the hone as well.