Thread: Bevel setting. Naniwa 1k/3k

I used the Naniwa SS 1k for a long time as my bevel setter. I upgraded to the Chosera. Two things to consider. One, the Chosera is better. It's an efficient stone, cuts fast, and has a good feel as the steel crosses it. Two, I don't cut a bevel that often. I don't know much about the King 1k but if it is doing the job, ask yourself how often you feel you will be cutting a bevel. If you are new and have RAD, you might find the Chosera or Naniwa a beneficial upgrade. If you are not acquiring a lot of new stuff and not planning on honing other people's razors, what you have may be sufficient. But this is not a pursuit of need in most instances. It's usually one of want.

What he said.

indeed , I mix synthetics with naturals as I have nothing between 1k and 6k , so there I go with Coticule and slurry. I am not intending to do a lot of bevel setting , but as a beginner I spoiled some bevels and now have to set bevels.
When the razors shave well it is ok for me and I go to maintenance mode
so thanks , and maybe I indeed have just to go on with the ones I have
as a beginner I do not feel like having control over the process , sometimes it works well and other times it doesn't

“Do you think it will be better as the King 1k which I use now for bevel setting”

No, all 1k’s will set a bevel.

What you get from some stones is feel and perhaps a bit of speed. But we are talking about just a few strokes. Guys like the Chosera, because feels are smoother, but the edge is the same.

The King 1k is a fine stone for setting a bevel, with slurry can be a bit quicker and without slurry and clean water, can get a very straight edge.

But the edge from most 1k’s is the same, and you are not going to shave off the 1k edge, and will in fact immediately remove it with the next stone.

The 1-6k is a bit of a jump, but if you, refine the 1k stria with light laps on a slurry free 1k and do circles in sets of 20, on the 6k, until you remove all the deep 1k slurry, it will work just fine.

The 6k is probably more aggressive than the BBW, but keep in mind, that an edge does not get straight until 8k. So, doing circles on the BBW with a heavy, (cream), slurry, until all the 6k stria is gone and then doing X laps to get a straight chip free edge, thinning to clear water, before going to the Coticule might help.

Your feeling of lack of control may be due to the large jumps and the steep learning curve of the Coticule. It can be done, just not the easiest way to learn to hone.

What magnification are you using, there are many good Magnification threads as well as micrographs on what to look for.

BBW’s and Coticule can vary wildly and so can using slurry, mostly technique. Coticule.BE has some great information on using Coticules and slurry.

A 2-4 k would make your life easier. The Naniwa green brick 2k, $60, is a great, inexpensive stone for removing 1k stria, and makes the rest of the progression much easier and quicker.

thanks for the tips
these are really really helpfull to me
I use magnification 20x jewelers loup and a 60x loup with ledlight ( such a cheap one from china , but it works well )
and yes, I have to fill in the hole between 1 and 6 k somehow , that is why I was thinking about the Nanniwa combi 1k/3k , as why I started the thread :-)

Just buy a Norton4/8k or Naniwa 3/8 and your problems are solved.

Norton is not so available in the Netherlands , but Nanniwa is
first try some advices from here , but I have been looking at it indeed , but it is rather expensive

I tried the King, I own the Chosera and a few cotis.. so I'm gonna say, just focusing on Euclid440 said there, the difference is in the feel and speed. I did not like the gritty feel of the King at all.

The 3/8 is an excellent suggestion. Dunno why I didn't think of it earlier, probably too focused on the 1k issue and not on bridging the gap between 1 and 6k.

Coticules do have a bit of learning curve, and not all of them can be used effectively as a slurry stone. Mine is a good example of this. The surface had to be buffed up with chrome Ox paste and burnished before it would finish a razor. If I create a slurry on the surface of that hone and upset the finely prepared surface, at best it will create a 4k edge.

I think you would do well to remove the natural stone. At least from the middle of the progression. The Naniwa 3/8 would give you a solid progression from 1 to 8k that you'd be able to shave from with predictable results. Then you could add in the coticule after the 8k hone and be set. Expensive perhaps, but we'll worth the cost in my opinion.

thanks
if I have to I will
but first keep on experimenting a bit , as there is still so much to discover