Thread: Bevel setting issue in the middle

I do have another question regarding the use of 2 layers of tape: when do you remove a layer? Or do you keep on honing with 2 all the way till finish?

Originally Posted by Mikali

I do have another question regarding the use of 2 layers of tape: when do you remove a layer? Or do you keep on honing with 2 all the way till finish?

Refresh top layer often, use 2 start to finish. If you remove one you'll be honing the shoulder, not the edge. It probably won't take long to make it all the way to the edge but it's still extra strokes. Some folks add a layer on their final stone for a micro bevel, I've never seen any reason to remove them.

As tape wears it may lower your angle and leave you honing shoulder not edge, and it wears much faster than I anticipated at any rate.

Test shaved this morning, WTG went well, no pulling and removed hair.
ATG was pulling and not comfortable. Sooo we go at it again one of this days ...
First will try one of my easier razors, to keep me motivated

Originally Posted by Mikali

First will try one of my easier razors, to keep me motivated

That is EXACTLY what I do

I will mess with a problem razor for no more than 3 attempts at a bevel set, then it goes to the back of the line up and I hone a few more, keeps me motivated and happy

Here I am again
Finally managed to have an even "wave" in front of the edge on the 1K.
It also pops 1 hair on the arm at all 3 points.
Also the TNT feels smooth and digs in. This make me THINK the bevel is set, however there is no undercut, only the "puddle" of water moving evenly.
So when is it ok to proceed to the next shapton stone? I've read and watched a lot and there is the undercut and there is the "suction" feeling that should tell the progression.
Are both indicators required on the 1K or at a later stage?

you should be experiencing suction if both blade and hone are aligned perfectly...i think you should not be expecting suction...

I'd be interested in hearing about the necessity of under cutting water and suction while honing. In all honesty I have never felt suction while honing and only occasionally see under cutting of water myself.

Bob

Originally Posted by gssixgun

That is EXACTLY what I do

I will mess with a problem razor for no more than 3 attempts at a bevel set, then it goes to the back of the line up and I hone a few more, keeps me motivated and happy

Originally Posted by BobH

I'd be interested in hearing about the necessity of under cutting water and suction while honing. In all honesty I have never felt suction while honing and only occasionally see under cutting of water myself.
Bob

1: it's good to hear I'm not the only one
2: how do you then know when to progress? As far as my logic tells me, there isn't a fixed number of strokes as every razor is different, as is every stone ...

Originally Posted by Mikali

Here I am again
Finally managed to have an even "wave" in front of the edge on the 1K.
It also pops 1 hair on the arm at all 3 points.
Also the TNT feels smooth and digs in. This make me THINK the bevel is set, however there is no undercut, only the "puddle" of water moving evenly.
So when is it ok to proceed to the next shapton stone? I've read and watched a lot and there is the undercut and there is the "suction" feeling that should tell the progression.
Are both indicators required on the 1K or at a later stage?

The trick of the system is that as the edge gets more refined (Higher Gits / Smoother slurry) the ripple will undercut all by itself..

It doesn't tell you how sharp your edge is, it tells you how smooth your stoke is, and if you are using enough pressure while honing

If that ripple goes bye bye you are not honing the edge you are just wasting steel behind the edge,, There are two forces combining at the edge while honing..
We tend to not talk about one because most people don't understand it

Downward pressure Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah we have all heard it over and over

But Torque is actually the important one and you can read both by "Riding the Wave"

But no,, the idea that the wave or even suction (Which doesn't happen on all grinds) can determine keenness ain't gonna happen


ps: One of the funniest things I remember reading on SRP back in the old days and I can't remember who said it

"Dude I can hone just fine, I just need to learn when to stop"

Originally Posted by gssixgun

The trick of the system is that as the edge gets more refined (Higher Gits / Smoother slurry) the ripple will undercut all by itself..

It doesn't tell you how sharp your edge is, it tells you how smooth your stoke is, and if you are using enough pressure while honing

If that ripple goes bye bye you are not honing the edge you are just wasting steel behind the edge,, There are two forces combining at the edge while honing..
We tend to not talk about one because most people don't understand it

Downward pressure Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah we have all heard it over and over

But Torque is actually the important one and you can read both by "Riding the Wave"

But no,, the idea that the wave or even suction (Which doesn't happen on all grinds) can determine keenness ain't gonna happen


ps: One of the funniest things I remember reading on SRP back in the old days and I can't remember who said it

"Dude I can honing just fine, I just need to learn when to stop"

Ok, good to read it doesn't/shouldn't happen on all grits. I was kinda waiting for it LOL

I figure I will try to see more through my loupe as well, because in all honestly I must admit I can't see much difference in scratch patterns yet ... it all looks the same, scratches, nicely uniform ...
I'm actually starting to think I might be overhoning.