Thread: Bevel setting issue in the middle

Thanks so far.
I've put down the razor as I was getting frustrated. As you said, wanting to get too drastic so let it rest ;-)
It's strange that the toe of one side (same side as the middle) is a way smaller bevel then the other side (looks more like a smile).
However the toe and heel a popping arm hair, the middle isn't doing much.

Tried my best to make some pics.
It's clear the toe is off as well.

If you compare the bevel one side to the other you will see that they are reversed mirror image. That is where one side is thin the opposite side is thick in the same area. Really apparent in the toe area. That would indicate to me that the blade has a slighr warp/twist to it.

With those types of blades if you do circles and straight up and back strokes you eventually work a frown into the blade. The best way to handle a blade like that is to use rolling X strokes heal leading. To get rid of the frown it is sometimes necessary to "bread knife" the blade to get it straight line. Do a forum search on bread knifing for more details on that. Once the frown is gone use rolling X strokes to set your bevel and through the rest of the progression till you have finished honing.

Bob

Thanks for posting the further pix. I agree with BobH. Looks like a slightly bent spine. Rolling-X would be the way to go for me, as I mentioned in my first reply. I would not bread-knife a blade like that, especially if you are just starting out. I would recommend a laterally-biassed pass (i.e., along a small amount of the stone's length, moving more from side-to-side towards the x-axis than up-and-down towards the y-axis) to nail the toe.

It may also be overground in the middle on one side, I have a Dovo like that.

Try using the corner of the hone to ride into the hollow/frown.

Cheers, Steve

Rolling X strokes are your best friend.

If you use your finger to put pressure on the bent part you'll make contact because the blade flexes. This doesn't really fix anything because the moment you take your finger off the blade springs right back to it's resting position. And if it's flexed too much may actually start micro-fracturing and you'll never get it to shave.

I'd try X strokes and see if that doesn't start to bring it in line rather than jumping straight to bread knifing.

As all have said rolling x strokes will work. The frown could have been caused by placing your finger in the middle, all that would have happened is the middle would've made contact and the toe and heel flex up.
Mark again with a sharipe and do a few x strokes, bear in mind that as you have a frown you might not make complete contact, as Bob and Marshal said breadknifing can fix this.
Breadknifing is not normal honing so be careful or you could make things worse.
You could always see if there is a menter in your area.

Yes, bread knifing is not normal honing and it is why I suggested the OP do a forum search on the subject. I would do that first and then decide if you want to try it. Also I think I see the OP is honing into the stabilizer on one side at least. That may necessitate re contouring the heel to avoid a heel hook and especially so if bread knifing is done. I think we are getting into an area where several related problems are showing up and need consideration in how to proceed.

Bob

Originally Posted by Mikali;1757758

So, after doing the circle method, followed by [B

straight strokes[/B] and x strokes. Not quite counting but watching the water, first I notice that one side was undercutting, the other side not in the middle.

That is a Red Flag for me, not sure if you mean Straight up and down the hone, but if you do .... Don't do that

Straight laps actually cause/exacerbate Frowns, all the other issue might still be there and you still need to correct the edge but stop doing straight laps if you are doing them

Originally Posted by gssixgun

That is a Red Flag for me, not sure if you mean Straight up and down the hone, but if you do .... Don't do that

Straight laps actually cause/exacerbate Frowns, all the other issue might still be there and you still need to correct the edge but stop doing straight laps if you are doing them

What I'm doing is mimic what you do in your videos. 5 straights followed by 5 x's.