Thread: Amount of water on Hones

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Very few stones I will go to dry (damp) and only on the final finishing process

Nakayama, after the slurry is all broken down, and smooth as silk comes to mind.

I used to use that trick back in 2007 when all I had was a Norton 4/8 and wanted to get the ABSOLUTE most out of that hone.

It is just another Tool in the box of tricks to mess with to see if you can get "more" sometimes it works, try it and decide if it works for you.
But you better have a smooth LIGHT even stroke

This.
Also, it depends very much on the steel and the hone du jour.
Lately I’ve been treating my chosera 10K to less water than usual on som german steel before taking it to the final level, a Nakayama or an escher.
Seems to have worked out fine.
But like Glen says, that does require an even and very light stroke imho.

The more water (to a point) means more lube and less aggressive and less blade-hone contact. As you use less water the lube decreases and the blade contact becomes more aggressive and requires more finesse. Of course this can change with the stone but it's a pretty good general principal.You can experiment with different liquids (theoretically) for differing results.

For a real treat try some heavy water. Too bad the National Lab frowns on stealing it.

Har har.

A lot depends on the stone, but generally on synthetic stones, a good amount of water keeps the stone cleaner and cutting more aggressive and cleanly. You can control the cut with the amount of pressure.

Your progression, how large of a jump you are making from the previous stone to the finish stone will dictate how easy polishing the bevel will be.

While more water can cause a micro “hydrofoil” effect, slurry and swarf will fill the pores of the stone and causes the stone to cut less aggressively as well. This is a larger variable than the amount of water. My goal to repeatable edge is elimination of as many variables as possible.

On your finish stone, the goal is to polish the bevel to straighten the edge and depending on the stone composition and grit, results will vary with the amount of water and or slurry. With Synthetic water stones there is always some slurry.

I hone with more water than most. I use a plastic fast food type tray to catch the excess water and slurry, with the stone in a steelex rubber holder, and use a plastic squirt bottle, keeping the stone flooded with enough water to keep much of the slurry off the stone face. When I finish on a synthetic stone, I do so on a clean stone and will clean and dress the stone with a 600-grit diamond plate and rinse well under running water, for the last few laps after polishing the bevel.

Experiment with the amount of water and slurry to get the results you want. Good magnification will aid in the amount of polish and straightness of the edge. When finishing on a synthetic, I use either, an 8k Naniwia, Snow White, 10k King Ice Bear, a 12k Naniwia Super Stone or a 20K Suehiro Gokumyo, each will finish a bevel to near mirror, but will perform just a bit differently with water and slurry/ swarf. For example the 12k Naniwia and the 20k Suehiro can easily load up and lead to micro chipping, a clean stone face eliminates that problem.

So, to answer the OP, it depends.

It sounds like you are nearing the stage of chasing the elusive 2% of keenness and repeatability. Perfection means nothing if it is not repeatable.

Like so many things when it comes to honing, you must experiment with your stone to find what works best with your technique and razor.

Naturals are a whole other kettle of fish, many more variables...

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

For a real treat try some heavy water. Too bad the National Lab frowns on stealing it.

Perhaps if they knew we were gonna be steeling it, they wouldn't be frowning quite so much. OTOH, if we were "steeling" it to fix a frown, they might not have a problem at all!

Har har.

You said it!

Yep, as Euclid440 posted, im working on that last 2%. OK, maybe im not that far but maybe 8%. Ha
Thanks for posting your comments and opinions. Some days it goes so well on the hone, and others it looks and feels right but the shave fails my picky test. Sure it will shave, but it might not be as perfect as i expect it should be.

I will continue to keep on keeping on, and hope i get a higher success rate soon. Its not bad now days, but i want better. As i bet most do. Lol.

I like to finish with both my Coti & 16K Shapton under running water. I have found this works best with both of these hones for me. I tend to use less water on lower grit hones. Especially 1K through 4K . One thing I have started doing is treating my hone water with a small amount of Ballistol. Just enough to turn the water white works fine for me. Try it sometime!

Dave"Slawman"Huffman