Thread: honing 7/8 flami from cs

I have 7/8 flami from classic shaving i have read they can be a boger to get honed up to a outstanding level. I would agree with this as i have tryed every thing and i can shave wiyh this razor but i feel it could be that bit better compared to my other 15 razors. Before i try barts method with one coticule honing. Has any one got one of these razors and got any good tips for tweaking it that might help me out.

my set up is 1200 dmt 1k / 4k/ 8k notons /12k kitiyama which i hardly use as i have bbw/yellow and paddle pasted with 1.0/0.5/ch.5

My bevel is set i have used gone through 4k 8k stage i have used the usaul bbw yellow and tryed tweaking with paste hht always seems to only just pass my other razors pass very easy.tpt feel very sharp at bevel stage plenty of drag on tnt which i hav'nt performed since the. like i say razor shaves it is smooth it just does'nt seem to have the grab whilst shaving razor can mis the odd hair in certain areas.

I don't find it very comfortable blade its very heavy and the scales are quite light and a bit loose because of weight of blade. i keep thinking maybe it just does'nt suit me.

I've no exprience with the fillies, but the friodurs i've honed have responded will to polishing with a coticule with water.
I do around 100 laps to work on the previous scratch pattern. Then repeat that concentrating on keeping the strokes very light.
Finally i'll do another 50-100 or so with a thuringian, keeping things light again.
With those pastes you might be able to refine it further, but bear in mind, you also may make the edge a little harsh. I've heard friodurs don't much like going above the thuringian, but couldn't say if the fillies are the same. I guess it's trial & error to see what works for you.

Sounds like a junker. Send it to me for proper disposal.

Kidding. If you can't figure it out, I'll hone it for you for free. Not sure what makes it so tough to hone. Is it stainless? Some stainless just takes a little longer on the hones than HCS.

Yes it is i think sergical steel i no its hard steel . To be fair i've just reset bevel after dulling on purpose and 4k 8k in usaul way and the shave of 8k is realy smooth and seemed realy good i'll have to try on 2 day growth and see how it feels that way i can tell a lot better the razor always gives a good shave i just don't think it performs as well as it could i'd rather hone my self and get it right thanxs for the offer.

I have one of the CS Fillies and have got a good tune on it now IMHO. After setting the bevel I did 2 or 3 pyramids starting with 20 laps. This got a good HHt so I went on to 100 laps on the Shapton 16k with soapy water. After that it was on to the shave test and it was outstanding. This is my standard TI break in and it seems to work just fine on this Fillie.

http://straightrazorpalace.com/galle...-muhahaha.html

I just honed that one last night and shaved it this morning,,,,

The only difference when honing these that I noticed is that on larger blades 7/8 and bigger, you have to be a little careful not to push the edge over the top... I will try and make some sense here, the edge is capable of more flex than say a 5/8 when you are honing... So if you apply pressure it is very, very, easy to "overhone" (god I hate using that term) these blades, and get a rough edge....
You might try switching up the stroke too when doing them, like when I do a 10 lap set on these I do 4 straight laps then 1 X lap, 4 straight 1 X Then on the next ten lap set I reverse that to 4 X and 1 straight etc:....

Stropper: I am by no means telling you how to hone here, but I would say that using soap on a Shapton is not reccomended.... Whether it will actually hurt the binder in the stone is unknown but Shapton does not recommend it either.... that is just FYI......... I bet it does work slick as all get out though

I've done a ton of these and they are different than yours Glen. These are a much heavier stiffer blade than the old 14's. The main thing really is to get the bevel set right on these. Without that, you will be back to the hone several times. I would recommend 40 circles on each side on the 1K followed by 10-15 X strokes. Then hit your 4K for 15 strokes and see if it shaves arm hair. If not, 10 more strokes until it does. Then you should be OK to hit the 8K for 10-15 strokes. 10 strokes on your Kitayama and then 10 strokes on the .5 of your choice. These blades can be stubborn.

I'd like to see if you can go through the Coticule routine and see if it can come to life for you in one time like the video. That would be cool.

Have fun,

Lynn

Obviously Lynn has more experience than I do, and he has done way more of these particular razors than I have.... So I would defer to his advice over mine......

Oops,my bad about the soap on the Shapton 16k. I should have mentioned that it is still in the experimental stage. I don't want to lead anyone astray and have them destroy their hone. I started using soapy water on a chinese 12k with very good results. I put 2 drops of dawn dish detergent in a pint(or there about)spray bottle. When I get to my final polish I spray down the hone and give the razor 100 laps for a finish. As it worked well with the 12k and as I adhere to the philosophy that anything worth doing is worth over doing, I sprayed up the Shapton and gave it a try. With the soapy water and a very, very light touch it produced a wicked keen edge,but so did the 12k. So I guess I would not advise putting your Shapton at risk.

So the old Fillies are different(RAD thought process activated) Hmmm can they shave even better. Oh man now I gotta get me one a those. Hot dog another razor to keep an eye peeled for.