Thread: A Good One

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

Glen i think conversation is about last stage of the honing. what is it coticule,norton k ,escher ,chinise etc etc doesn't matter.
if you do it too much example norton 8 k -150 laps you will end up over honed edge.
This is my understanding and hope this helps.

No Sham it doesn't help at all... I understand that, You understand that, Lynn understands that, ANYONE who hones razors understands that...

But somehow I can't get one of these guys who doesn't like "sharp razors" to explain to me what they are talking about

I get that you might not like a .25 diamond edge, or a Shapton 30k edge, or a Nakayama edge, I understand that completely, but that is not what is being said here....

If that is what they mean, then fine I understand that too, that finishing is a personal preference, or the honemiester's choice by experiance....

But to say an edge is "too sharp" does not make sense to me at all...

I used to have this idea of "Sharp vs Smooth" in my head.

Now i look back and it was really 2 things.

Crappy technique and crappy honing


With good technique a sharp blade is a smooth blade.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

No Sham it doesn't help at all... I understand that, You understand that, Lynn understands that, ANYONE who hones razors understands that...

But somehow I can't get one of these guys who doesn't like "sharp razors" to explain to me what they are talking about

I get that you might not like a .25 diamond edge, or a Shapton 30k edge, or a Nakayama edge, I understand that completely, but that is not what is being said here....

If that is what they mean, then fine I understand that too, that finishing is a personal preference, or the honemiester's choice by experiance....

But to say an edge is "too sharp" does not make sense to me at all...

G-Bro,

imo

Bad technique. Most people that will say they don't want or think an edge is to sharp is because they might have cut themselves, are afraid of cutting themselves (again), had a few bad shaves with burned sensation or harshness,...

all this because of bad technique.

With proper technique (shaving and prepping) and know how about your skin and beard type, one can take any super samurai honed edge and get the best shave of their lives. But we already knew that. They apparently not, yet.

The way I see it is there is sharp and than there is scary sharp. If I hone a razor on a coticule as sharp as I possibly can I will get a comfortable and smooth shave. If I take it to my 15k Shapton pro I can get it sharper. The shave might be as comfortable and smooth depending on my technique but the edge off of the coticule is more forgiving.

When I do the pyramid and stop at the 8k level and test shave there IMO is another example of not quite as sharp as when I go back to the 15k pro.

To draw another comparison that someone with a DE background may identify with a Feather is way sharper than a Derby. The Derby is more forgiving and less likely to leave weepers or to nick given proper technique. All this is of course my opinion based on my particular mug. YMMV.

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

I used to have this idea of "Sharp vs Smooth" in my head.

Now i look back and it was really 2 things.

Crappy technique and crappy honing


With good technique a sharp blade is a smooth blade.

Originally Posted by Maximilian

G-Bro,

imo

Bad technique. Most people that will say they don't want or think an edge is to sharp is because they might have cut themselves, are afraid of cutting themselves (again), had a few bad shaves with burned sensation or harshness,...

all this because of bad technique.

With proper technique (shaving and prepping) and know how about your skin and beard type, one can take any super samurai honed edge and get the best shave of their lives. But we already knew that. They apparently not, yet.

This I understand, always have.... have said the same thing many times, but I am still waiting for an answer from the "too sharp" crowd....

Hum well I think it's not only the blade but the technique. They do go hand in hand. One can destroy the results of the other.
Can a razor be to sharp? No not really but it can be rough and that's where the higher level of honing comes in to get it as sharp as possible and as smooth as possible. Combine that with good technique and your there. You'll enjoy the shave much more and I must admit you get a lot of satisfaction when you finally achieve those results.
It takes time and effort. You can't be afraid to experiment with different hones and you must be open to the way others hone etc if you want to continue to learn. Be open minded not critical of others technique or honing methods. Nobody has the market cornered on ability and the best results.

OK, with respect to all.....
This has become the old "To Sharp?" argument. It has come up a number of times in the past and there has never been a resolution. Never !......

Let us respect each others opinion and leave it at that.

Randy

Yep never has been resolved and never will because it's subjective. However we all tend to work together exchanging viewpoints and methods which is one reason I enjoy this forum so much.
We do occasionally have a few biting comments but for the most part they are few and far between.
I do respect others ideas, views etc. even when a few do get kinda "out there":-)

In the ever meaningful words of Lou "Whatever".

I would encourage anyone learning to hone and everyone who has achieved success at honing razors to strive for the very best results they can achieve, all the time, no matter what tools or methods you employ. Your face will normally thank you and I'm betting that all who achieve good results will continue to try for better results. What matters is how those results work for you.

And as always, Have Fun!!

Lynn

Originally Posted by randydance062449

OK, with respect to all.....
This has become the old "To Sharp?" argument. It has come up a number of times in the past and there has never been a resolution. Never !......

Let us respect each others opinion and leave it at that.