Thread: seting bevel with dmt1200/1k naniwa

Gary,
Ya know, the truth of the matter is that some of us are constantly looking for that holy grail of sharpening and finding out that once that blade comes off the strop, its generally not much different than the method we have been using and are now trying to replace. I have never been able to just go to a new type of stone and seemlessly use it like my other ones. There always seems to be some little difference in technique or whatever that makes the process slower to reach that finished product. So the reality is, I guess, if the system you are using works then why change it? Sure wish I had the answer for that one. I guess the only consolation I have is that if I am pressed for time, and can't get a combination to work, I can always fall back on some other method that will.


Good Luck with this.

Ray

jimmy So the dmt does cut a lot quiker than any 1k naniwa. Like ray says i can always fall back to what works. I like experimenting with differant hones it makes it more interesting i have had outstanding edges on touch up razors as good if not better on one acasion so i do like them and will carry on using them the other thing is i like holding my hones as i hone it feels more natural to me my dmt is 6x2 my belgiums combo is 5x2 and a 5x3 my norton combo i even hold that fairly easy i find holding the naniwas good because they are realy light. I have tryed honing with them on table and i manage but i just carn't get use to it especialy when performing rolling x i have to hold hone up to me .

Originally Posted by gary haywood

jimmy So the dmt does cut a lot quiker than any 1k naniwa. Like ray says i can always fall back to what works. I like experimenting with differant hones it makes it more interesting i have had outstanding edges on touch up razors as good if not better on one acasion so i do like them and will carry on using them the other thing is i like holding my hones as i hone it feels more natural to me my dmt is 6x2 my belgiums combo is 5x2 and a 5x3 my norton combo i even hold that fairly easy i find holding the naniwas good because they are realy light. I have tryed honing with them on table and i manage but i just carn't get use to it especialy when performing rolling x i have to hold hone up to me .

Yes we all experiment and find what works for us. For instance I do not like honing holding the hone in my hand. I have tried it and find that I prefer a stable surface. For me holding the hone leaves too much variation in the process yet I know that many competent honers do fine with that method.

The same with hones. One guy may love a Spyderco set. I tried them and find they don't do anything for me. So whatever works and we learn that through trial and error. Things change overtime too. When I first tried diamond plates I didn't like them. Now I find that they are very good in certain circumstances. Diamond paste is another example.

At first I didn't like the feel of edges that I got with the paste. I put the paddle aside for months. On coming back to it and giving the paste another try I have found that for some razors it is just the ticket. Keeps life interesting.

Some times a stone or a method is just not for you and that sounds like the case here. I personally find the DMT very abrasive as is the Norton 1K. The Naniwa 1K has been my go to for bevel setting for the last couple thousand razors and before that I was enjoying the Shapton and before that I was enjoying the Norton. I have tried others as well, but these have been the best performers. I really hate honing with anything hand held as I just find it too unstable. To me the most important thing is using what works for you. I'm not saying quit experimenting, but when you have confidence in somthing, then it will normally work better for you.

Have fun,

Lynn

Originally Posted by Lynn

Some times a stone or a method is just not for you and that sounds like the case here. I personally find the DMT very abrasive as is the Norton 1K. The Naniwa 1K has been my go to for bevel setting for the last couple thousand razors and before that I was enjoying the Shapton and before that I was enjoying the Norton. I have tried others as well, but these have been the best performers. I really hate honing with anything hand held as I just find it too unstable. To me the most important thing is using what works for you. I'm not saying quit experimenting, but when you have confidence in somthing, then it will normally work better for you.

Have fun,

Lynn

I've tryed the 1k naniwa tonight and i swear its not cutting as well as it should and btw i did it on table top and i'm getting use to it now. I kept it clean by lapping it i realy carn't under stand this i have set bevels on the norton no probs and dmt i hone and check everten laps and i'm just not getting past a certain level i'd move on but razors not cutting any arm hair
its realy baffling me is it possible it could be the hone or they have got it mixed up with say 5000 i get more swarf on my 8k while honing somthing aint right.

5k nani is a very light blue and 1k is a medium dark blue. Of course the stone is marked on the end but you might have a point there about being the wrong size.

Ray

When i hone on the 1k i hone and hone till the point where its just not making any progress and i no that is not normal is your 1k quite porous because mine is not it holds water on surface realy well i carn't even get it to shave arm hair. What i think i will do is dull this old razor and set bevel on my 3k and see if that works if it does then i no there is somthing wrong somwhere i will try.

Right i have just dulled the same razor by runing it across my hone 3 times i have honed on the 3k naniwa and after 40 laps i noticed slight keeness after 50 more stick sharp in total may be 150 to 200 passes may be less i did'nt count just tested but the same razor is now shaving leg hair unbelieveable differance i can honestly say the 1k just seemed to make razor duller and rough along my edge why i don't no could it be faulty hone they are man made i supose i'm not sure but the 3k just set my bevel fairly quik and beatiful and smooth hone at that .I new somthing was'nt right thats why i have kept tying and trying but no joy untill i used 3k weird.

This is crazy! If you would like, I would be willing to send you my 1k nani and let you try it to see if it is any different than yours. Send it back when you are done though...LOL. If you are interested, pm me with your information.

Ray

Are you in the uk? What i am going to do is send it back to steve let him hone on it and see what he thinks if he finds the same as me i'm sure he would swap it for me