Thread: Bevel Setting

Originally Posted by Bart

I also said that I agree with the big picture, only that I think that the speed difference between K and 4K is bigger than you seem to think.

That sounds pretty much like going by the figures. If I'm allowed to translate to 4/8K, than 2 laps on the 8K removes the same amount of steel than K lap on the 4K. To calculate even further: X K= 8K = 4K. This opens interesting perspectives for saving money spend on hones. If it were true.

(I never said anything about 8k stones but just for S&G yes you can do the exact same one stone trick as you do with a Coti with the 8k Norton, bevel set to shaving sharp)


See this is where the problem started, as I wasn't going by numbers (as in multiplying 4 by 1) I was going by actual experience on the actual hones that the OP was asking about ...

But that wasn't actually good enough you, had to confuse the issue by bringing in facts and figures which were totally meaningless to the actual discussion that was talking place....

Let me reiterate for you
THE OP:
"I have a 4k NORTON can I set the bevel on razors with it or do I need a 1K NORTON"...

Not DMT, not Shapton, not Chosera, not any other stone or question...

Very simple straight forward answer, YES you can, however it will take about 4 times as many strokes as the 1K to set the bevel.. (ACTUAL NUMBERS NOT A THEORY)


Now for some reason we had to expound on that very simple answer ??????? and 20 plus posts later we are still at the same place YES A 4k Norton can set bevels...

And I will be very, very, clear here, IME it is about 4 times slower then the 1k Norton....

Originally Posted by gssixgun

But that wasn't actually good enough you, had to confuse the issue by bringing in facts and figures which were totally meaningless to the actual discussion that was talking place....

(...) Now for some reason we had to expound on that very simple answer ??????? and 20 plus posts later we are still at the same place YES A 4k Norton can set bevels...

Originally Posted by Bart

+1 on the very essence of what Glen said...
(...)But yes, bevel correction can be done on a 4K synthetic water hone.
Bevel repair is in an entirely different realm.

Originally Posted by Bart

The bottom line is that we all agree, except about how much the speed difference precisely is.

Originally Posted by Bart

I also said that I agree with the big picture, (...)

I don't think we disagree. It surprises me that the Norton 1K and 4K relate to eachother in that way. I would have suspected the 1K to be much faster than that, based upon experience with other hones and how the speed difference seems more on a logaritmical scale than on a linear one.
We can easily agree to disagree on these details, if that's how you feel. It was a nice discussion and I have learned a thing or two about the Norton hones. Whether it confused the original poster, I can't really tell, but in that case, I apologize. Would this thread have appeared in the newby section, I would have started a new one here.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

(I never said anything about 8k stones but just for S&G yes you can do the exact same one stone trick as you do with a Coti with the 8k Norton, bevel set to shaving sharp)

that is great news Glen. Imo, internet forums are always a bit inclined to develop gear fetishism. For straight razor users who are not into collecting hones and razors, I acclaim every option that allows great results with nominal equipment. It would be great to see the Unicot method translated to hones like the Shapton 16K or the Naniwa 12K. I've been trying it myself with a Nakayama and with a Chosera 10K, but I had problems getting a decent bevel on razors that were a bit off. Once the bevel is there, produced by a DMT1200 for instance, using the secondary bevel procedure to jump straight to one of both these fine finishers works like a charm.
Without even owning them, I don't doubt that for the thrifty among us, buying a Naniwa1K, a Naniwa12K and a roll of tape is one of the most economical ways to get a razor from very dull to wickedly sharp. Set bevel on 1K, apply one layer of tape to the spine, refine and finish the edge on 12K. Strop without tape. When in need of a touch up: 12K with tape.
I know the above strays away from the original question, but in case this thread was inspired by searching cost-effective honing options, I feel it's worth mentioning.

Best regards,
Bart.

Originally Posted by Bart

I know the above strays away from the original question, but in case this thread was inspired by searching cost-effective honing options, I feel it's worth mentioning.

Best regards,
Bart.

Or maybe it isn't off topic ? Since honing a few razors with them I can say that the Naniwa SuperStones 1k, 3k, 5k produce a shave worthy edge comparable to my results with my Norton 1k, 4k, 8k. Adding the Naniwa 8k into the mix and it is of course smoother and more refined but I could do just fine if all I had was the 1, 3 , and 5k or the Norton set. This is based on my particular beard and all of the usual qualifiers. IOW, YMMV.