Escher not recommended after coticule?

**tavli** · 10-31-2010, 03:36 PM

I saw this comment on the Timbertools wesite:

We are often asked this question. If you have used a high quality natural Belgian stone, the Escher/Thuringian stone is NOT recommended as a final hone, because the edge profiles created by these stones are different and not complementary. A high quality Belgian stone (such as the ones we sell) produces an edge without burrs, therefore that edge is already drawn toward attaining an ideal finish, so you wouldn't gain any advantage by using the Escher.

I would be interested if members agree with this? Also does anyone use any finisher after a coticule - stones or pastes?

**Scipio** · 10-31-2010, 03:42 PM

IGNORE IT, its complete rubbish, I can attest to it.

Has been discussed before

**BladeRunner001** · 10-31-2010, 03:42 PM

Hmmm...interesting!! Thanks for sharing....I have gotten amazing edges with my Escher (post Coticule treatment)...but, please don't consider this "expert opinion" as I am still learning the nuances of honing.

PS: I don't think the second link is working

**JimmyHAD** · 10-31-2010, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Scipio

IGNORE IT, its complete rubbish, I can attest to it.

Has been discussed before

+1, I read that too a long time back ...... after I was already using my Escher following a coticule. Glad I already knew the Escher will improve the edge.

**Piet** · 10-31-2010, 05:05 PM

The Eschers they are talking about are NOT Eschers, only stones once sold by Escher and Co can be called Eschers, Timbertools' 'Eschers' are stones cut from a recently discovered block.

Also the Thuringians they mention are not vintage.

**Joe Edson** · 10-31-2010, 05:14 PM

I use my escher all the time after my coti (in fact it is my standard way of finishing). Never had a problem and always get a great edge. Go for it.

**AlanII** · 10-31-2010, 05:15 PM

Yes, ignore them.

**life2short1971** · 10-31-2010, 08:53 PM

It is because the Thuringian they are selling is of a lower grit I believe.

**gary haywood** · 11-07-2010, 10:16 AM

i just statred messing with escher after coticule. using water only and 20 to 30 laps i'm sure the edge felt differant and may be a little keener , still early days . there is a differance in feel of both stones, both smooth but in differant way thats hard to explain. its down to your face which one you prefer. i'm sure escher is more efective on water than my coticule . i no they are both polishers with water and are very slow cutters indeed . the escher just seemed to have a litlle more power on water. so i think it would make up for any keeness not gained by coticule alone. i'm still testing coticule then finishing on escher . and so far i found just a thew laps on escher does work well . my escher is blue/green and i'm sure its the quikest one out the three that i have owned.may be it is higher grit and that is just right to use after coticule.
gary

**life2short1971** · 11-07-2010, 11:48 AM

I have three Thuringians.One is a 5x1 and it is vintage as in from the 50's.It is extremely smooth and there is never even the slightest feeling of abrasion,I also have a Droescher Razor hone and it is the same way. Lastly I have a 125x60 that is still a good finisher but I can feel the slightest stray abrasion once every 10 to 20 laps. It doesn't cause any harm but i can feel it. I don't know the history of this hone but it has some tool marks that lead me to believe it is fairly recent in its manufacture or mining. I think the edge off it is still good just not suburb.

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