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    I've tried twice now to touch up my 6/8 Dovo (sent to SRD for initial honing) on my Chinese hone with a slurry. It shaves a tiny bit better, but still not a great shave. In this post, some suggested that the Chinese hone may not be enough to bring it back. I've finally purchased and lapped a Norton 4k/8k. So here's my question:

    Would it be a good idea to try 10 or so laps on the 8k, strop and shave to see if there's any improvement, then try my Chinese hone to see if there's any improvement in smoothness over the 8k? Essentially, hone on 8k, test. Finish on Chinese hone, test. Compare. I hope this makes sense. Basically I'm trying to isolate things. If I hone on 8k, then the Chinese hone, then strop and shave and something is off (which it most likely will be), I won't know where I went wrong.

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    ps-I'm a newb, but I feel like my time on the Chinese hone was ok. I had good contact, just the weight of the blade on the stone, even strokes, etc.

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    The Chinese hone is extremely slow. That being said, if that doesn't bring the edge back, drop to the 8K. After the 8k, go to the Chinese hone then strop and test. If that doesn't bring the edge back, drop to 4K and go through the progression.

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    After you used the Chinese hone with slurry, did you then continue with just water? You'll likely need to do about 50 strokes of each.

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    Utopian,

    Yes, I diluted it to just water, then rinsed the hone and razor with water, then did about the same number of strokes (not sure, I lost count, but probably a little over 50).

    Theseus,

    Do you think there would be any benefit in shave testing after the 8k, then again after the chinese hone?

    Thanks,

    Ken
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    Personally, I'd only test shave after the 12K and stropping. If you wanted to take the Chinese hone out of the equation completely, then you could test after the 8K.

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    There is no harm in shaving after the 8k and benefit is that you will then get a sense of the improvement afforded by the Chinese hone. Unless you damaged the edge, you should not need to drop down to the 4k ever.

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    You could certainly try shaving off the 8K. The Norton 8K stone, if used like in Gssixgun's video YouTube - gssixgun Honing on a Norton 4-8
    is more than capable of providing a shave ready razor. The 12K used after the 8K will simply add a smoothness to the blade by further polishing the edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenL View Post
    So here's my question:

    Would it be a good idea to try 10 or so laps on the 8k, strop and shave to see if there's any improvement, then try my Chinese hone to see if there's any improvement in smoothness over the 8k? Essentially, hone on 8k, test. Finish on Chinese hone, test. Compare. I hope this makes sense. Basically I'm trying to isolate things. If I hone on 8k, then the Chinese hone, then strop and shave and something is off (which it most likely will be), I won't know where I went wrong.

    Thanks for any feedback.


    Ken


    ps-I'm a newb, but I feel like my time on the Chinese hone was ok. I had good contact, just the weight of the blade on the stone, even strokes, etc.
    Above statement will confuse you more. you will not get what you are looking for.
    This is how system works in your case.
    as you already mention your chinese 12k didn't bring the edge back?
    any you don't want to mix up to find out where you went wrong?
    then do this.
    now hone on 8k make not ten at least 15-25 strokes .
    strop and shave test see what happens. if you wont get what you are looking for then you will need to go down to 4k.
    go for k and make 25-40 strokes. then come basck to 8k 10-30 strokes then you could shave test.
    not satisfied you could make 10 more strokes and test the edge again. not in there then move to chinse 12k and make 100 strokes.
    50 wont be enough.
    shave test see how it will shave. good luck
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    Thank you all. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to get a really unpleasant shave off the 8k (although, since I'm new at this, there's still that possibility). The consensus seems to be that I can shave off the 8k if I want to gain an understanding/appreciation for what each hone does. I'll give it a shot in order to feel the difference between the 8k and whatever grit my Chinese hone is.

    Thanks Adam_MA for posting the video! I have no illusions that I can use a hone like gssixgun, but I learned a lot from the video. I didn't know that, on a budget, it is possible to set a bevel on the 4k.

    Thanks hi_bud_gl for your advice. When I typed my previous response, I questioned whether 10 strokes on the 8k would be enough. Thanks for giving me a specific number on the 8k.

    Sorry for adding on another question, but while re-reading my original post, I realized that I made a comment about smoothness. Is it possible for a newcomer to be able to distinguish between sharp/smooth/not sharp? Or put differently, with how will I know if it's sharp and not smooth or just not sharp yet? Will I get a close, but slightly more uncomfortable/irritating shave?

    Thanks again for your patience,

    Ken

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    Your blade should shave comfortable. What i mean by that.
    No pooling ,etc. you don't have to make 2 or more passes in same location or use pressure blade to cut hair.
    while you shave you use pressure and that does give to you irritaiton or your blade is not sharp enough and you end up pushing blade against your skin.
    you should not use pressure.

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