Thread: Bevel

I certainly like to check out the bevel as I go, but I don't get too technical. Generally I just use my naked eye, at times a simple magnifying glass.

Last time I honed I did this, then finished with 20 laps on the Shapton 16k. I lot of it's probably illogical and a downright waste of time, esp considering it took about two hours. Testing along the way was shaving leg hair (I don't really have any arm hair). No thumb nail test, no thumb pad test, no hanging hairs to be found anywhere). Funny thing was it worked, superbly so, on two Swedish framebacks...

Glen's videos are what taught me, as well as asking questions. I read a bit of the Wiki, but it's amazing how little of the Wiki I've actually read. I like the interaction I get when I actually ask questions, it's a social thing. Also, REALLY getting in to it and watching the wave, etc helped me a lot. It's interesting how much you can concentrate when you really try; it's also a meditation thing for me, driving everything else away apart from me moving that razor up and back, actually feeling it, actually contemplating and experiencing it...Entering in to a relationship with it, as Buber the philosopher would say...

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20 20 40
19 20 39
18 20 38
17 20 37
16 20 36
15 20 35
14 20 34
13 20 33
12 20 32
11 20 31
10 20 30
9 20 29
8 20 28
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So the third column is on your Shapton 16k? and then you did an additional 20 on it? If that is the case, that is A LOT of passes! How did it shave? I am just learning how to do this and I am afraid of over honing but I read that using a pyramid is a safer way of honing...

The third column looks like totals to me, and the final figure looks like a total of the totals. I'd not want to nay say something if it works for you, but IMO that is way too much work and more than likely there were 10 good edges in there that got overwritten as the laps went on (and on...and on...)

James.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

Oh, hone correctly? You should have said! It is an algorithm:

Code:

for (i in 1 to Hone_types){
   set test = 0;
   while (test !=1){
      edge = Rub razor on stone[i];
      test = assess[i](edge);
   }
}

Hone_types is a counter for the stone progression you will use (stone[1] is a 1K bevel setter, stone[2] is a norton 4K, etc, for example);
assess[i] is an array of assessment tools, which depend on the stone used. Generally for i>4 assess[i] are similar.

The tricky bits are the rubbing and the assessment. Apart from that honing is a doddle!

James.

Pardon me - I speak geek.
For you non-coders, the simple version is:
take razor
rub on rock
take razor
rub on strop
take razor
rub on face

Now wasn't that easy?

Originally Posted by Jimbo

The third column looks like totals to me, and the final figure looks like a total of the totals. I'd not want to nay say something if it works for you, but IMO that is way too much work and more than likely there were 10 good edges in there that got overwritten as the laps went on (and on...and on...)

James.

Yeah, exactly, as in totals and also as in over written edges. I mentioned it mainly as an 'sometimes anything works' kind of way....

That is exactly what this non-coder did...

I finally got the stones to lay my beautiful Dovo on the rock(s) and "touch up" the edge. The result was the best shave I have ever experienced in my short journey. The little troublesome hairs on my bottom lip just fell off when touched with the blade. I was a very happy and somewhat proud man...until my second shave. The blade reverted back to just being "OK" overnight. I hit the strop again, same substandard results. All other test were accomplished throughout, TPT, HHT, arm hair.

I read, and read, and watched more videos. Went back to the rocks and used no pressure. First shave...not bad at all, but not as good as the ultimate one timer I had. Second shave will be this morning.

The scarey thing is that I WANT that perfect shave again, and I will have it. I did stop myself from pulling out the hones again, and started looking into cremes and paste instead.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

What did all that testing prove, Tape if you want, don't tape if you want, but if you use tape change it often and apply it evenly

WOW. That almost sounds like the gov't ran that test. LOL

Originally Posted by Kelley

...
I finally got the stones to lay my beautiful Dovo on the rock(s) and "touch up" the edge. The result was the best shave I have ever experienced in my short journey. The little troublesome hairs on my bottom lip just fell off when touched with the blade. I was a very happy and somewhat proud man...until my second shave. The blade reverted back to just being "OK" overnight. I hit the strop again, same substandard results. All other test were accomplished throughout, TPT, HHT, arm hair.
. . .
The scarey thing is that I WANT that perfect shave again, and I will have it. I did stop myself from pulling out the hones again, and started looking into cremes and paste instead.

Stropping on leather should _not_ degrade the edge that the hone produces - even if it's a finishing hone.

I don't know what's wrong with your stropping, but I suspect _something_ is. For lack of more information:

a) Try stropping with less pressure (less on the edge, less on the spine)

b) try stropping with a tighter strop.

c) try increasing the laps, along with decreasing the pressure.

. Charles

PS -- what's your finishing hone grit, and what strop are you using?

I apologize for the delay in responding...

My finisher is a Naniwha 12K. I'm using a new Dovo strop that has cut marks on the top and bottom.

Soon to use my Red Imp.

How have the shaves been.