Just a line to re thank everyone for reccomending" Neil Miller" at "The Strop Shop"to rehone some of my razors we passed a few emails between each other and I have just sent off two razors for him to review he gave me lots of pointers of what to look for on old razors so I can evaluate them and decide what to do, hope he can turn these two around. He was quick to reply and provided lots of detail just what you need been a beginer its sets you off on the right foot thanks also Niel. Oh! thanks to everyone PhatMan Jeltz Tuftey and lz6 for the warm welcome to SRP as well.