[QUOTE=ScienceGuy;1466500]I agree, I think hey are pressed horn.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooser
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[QUOTE=ScienceGuy;1466500]I agree, I think hey are pressed horn.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooser
It's also mentioned that people used Iohn Barber instead of John Barber as another kind of fraud.Quote:
Originally Posted by engine46
I think yours isn't a J. Barber, but a Iohn
I suspected that. I was trying to make myself believe it wasn't stamped right or that it was worn. Do you recall where you saw that? if so, please let me know. If it is, they were quality craftsmen but I guess they were passing them off as one of his since he was well known & they in fact never made a name for themselves which they could have. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Thaeris
It appears to have been a quality piece in its time, even with the wide, beefy tang on it. I would like to see that so that I could show the seller & get a partial refund back from the them or just send it back.The seller might have even been aware of that but passed it on like a J. Barber anyway. I have it in my Tweeddale's that he was in fact cautioning the public about some frauds turning up with his name on them.
I doubt that the seller new anything about it other than what was stamped and what the most basic research provided. I think it's all the more interesting if it is a false Barber! It isn't that often that you find those, and they were still of great quality manufacture.Quote:
Originally Posted by engine46
Interesting with the Iohn Barber, as opposed to John Barber, so who or what are the razors marked, "I.Barber"?
I had always thought that the "I" instead of "J" was only used when the stamping was used as a first initial and not as a name like
I.Barber instead of J.Barber but I don't know and really didn't even think about the difference in Steve's razor , it does appear to be a distinct "I" though , interesting !!
I agree my friend. Martin does as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScienceGuy
I Barber .....I think this is a stub-tailed.
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yep , stubby enough for me ..lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by Willisf
btw do you have any closer pics of the "I.BARBER" ?? yours looks more like a "J" on my screen
I just looked at through a loupe..... It's an "I" .... But in a way it does look look like a "J"Quote:
Originally Posted by gooser
I always figured it was a worn or broken stamp making the "J" look like an "I". They weren't all that fussy back in those days. I've had Case Bros Little Valley pocket knives where the stamp was half on, and half off the tang. IOW, only half the stamp on the tang at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willisf
Those might have been a Friday Afternoon special too....hahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
Birmingham Old English
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I thought it had a more definite strike mark on the left side from that one pic , that's why I asked .. but I know what you are saying Jimmy as I had a razor or 2 that the first couple letters were barely visible , or ones that are so crooked its funny .. I guess the quality was in the edge a nd not the mark ..back thenQuote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
[QUOTE=Willisf;1467387]I Barber .....I think this is a stub-tailed.
I love the rosette collars! BTW, it is a stub tail.
[QUOTE=engine46;1467474]Me too..... I'd like to have this one restored...... The scales are in fairly good shape..... One of the collars has "rusted" off....... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Willisf
Will be hard to replace it I think.
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Originally Posted by engine46
If you are referring to the rosette collar, yes, they are hard to find but I think I saw an old post on here one time where a member was making them. You might have to do an advanced search. I'll check a folder of mine. When i find articles like that I save the link & email it to myself & put it in a special folder. I have 2 rosettes saved for when I get another straight that is missing some & can make a set out of them.
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Joseph Hives. ~1803-1810 a bit of a rare maker.
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Brittain Wilkinson and Brownell ~1810-1820. Unbelievably thin at the tail.
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Unknown warranted. ~1805-1815
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Unknown warranted. ~1810-1820
I'm also currently working on representatives from the courts of King George IV and King William IV, respectively.
All dates are guesses by myself based on my own research, if anyone has any additional information I'd love to hear it. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by appa69
Those are nice! The Joseph Hives of course has been rescaled but I wonder why the fancy collars just on one side? They do look nice & possibly were only two left by the time the restorer did the work. I have one that had rosettes on it but just two, so I used the catseye collars instead. I saved the rosettes for when I get more.
Yeah. I rescaled the hives myself, I didn't think to mention it. The collars are brass beading items, and if you look closely, you can see that they are the same but different sizes.
Yeah, I can tell now. It's still cool you used them on the one side.Quote:
Originally Posted by appa69
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Originally Posted by appa69
Loving them stubbs.... Especially that last one, nice finds!
In CHRIST
Sback
"acier fondu" (cast steel), 6/8", ivory scales with silver collars, France, epoch "Premiere Empire" c.1804-14
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very nice !!Quote:
Originally Posted by altus
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JOHNSON, JAMES
Fitzwilliam Street, Sheffield
1818-1853
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SHEPHERD, JOHN
Sheffield
Trademark: Crown and Wolf
1770-1795
It's a LANGRES, the L is been lost by excessive polishing,or bad insculptation, it's a town in France famous in the past for it's cutlery, I date it around 1770-1800Quote:
Originally Posted by gooser
and please do use many layers of tape on the back of these old shaver, it's useless to make them suffer with huge belvels on their adged backs, you are ruining the collecting value doing such !
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Originally Posted by charlie48horlogerie
But they shave so much better with a shallower bevel!Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie48horlogerie
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Originally Posted by appa69
Yes but it is best to preserve these old beauties. They are getting much rarer so I say use tape!!!
I always tape. But MANY layers? Never more than is necessary. Never detriment the shave. The shave is paramount.Quote:
Originally Posted by engine46
I bought 22 rolls of 3M electrical tape off eBay for $17.99 free shipping! I use tape every time I hone.Quote:
Originally Posted by appa69
Since the scales of the Wiltshier in transparent horn was warped and too "homemade", I have rescaled it with a handle of the same epoch, in ivory and piqué work.
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Fantastic!Quote:
Originally Posted by altus
Unknown maker, ~1820-1830. Stamped "Patent Tempered Steel". Had a nearly indistinguishable scroll-script etch of the word "Washington" on the blade which is nearly invisible now. New black horn scales with lead wedge.
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Nice job on replicating the original scales. Well done. Not a big fan of the decorative jewelry end caps. They are normally made from pot metal and break quite easily. I have used that same one and it happened when pinning it. Good luck and great looking horn scales nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by appa69
"Pailloux à Nantes", firs half XIX°
6/8" near wedge, scrimshaw on ivory scales and filework
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I didn't come on the forum to look at this post, but it's taken hold of me again :rolleyes:
Beautiful Razors gentlemen
Rodgers ~1820-1830 George IV regent stamp. I believe it to be from early in his reign. Blade is very thick and spine is ground flat. It is also the nearest example to a true wedge I've dealt with to date. Troublesome to hone. Condition is less than perfect, but a fantastic shaver none the less. New streaked horn scales.
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Has anyone ever seen a razor from this era with a guard?
Not sure what you mean by "guard" .Quote:
Originally Posted by fmlondon
